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54 Replies Last post: Mar 17, 2010 10:45 AM by ivanpetrucci   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 Previous Next
gjohung   15 posts since
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45. Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM in response to: jwelsh
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

jwelsh

 

I am running it through FX return or TM60... just using the Power Amp.. Select Combo direct in... which turns off speaker Sim.. and it is basically Line 6 pre-amp and TM60 power amp.. I have also used KC 150... lower powered version of KC 350.. also I have also used Mackir SMC150... a small 8 inch full range monitor.. in all cases... XLR going into PA.

 

Trust me I tried all method.. Line 6 XTL sound crap for live..

 

ghj

feedingjoey   60 posts since
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46. Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM in response to: jwelsh
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

Yea Jwelsh The problem does seem to be with putting the XT live in front of an amp. But I am afraid I'll have the same issue through just the PA. Yes, that's right, after all this posting I haven't played live through the PA. Let me esplane. Like Guitrest I too do my homework. All my patches are created in cans and then I push them through my PA for a double check...alone in my house. I get the sound right BEFORE I show up to practice. That way I'm not wasting everyone's time. But if I'm losing the distorted patches because of the frequencies from the other instruments in the band then I can tweak all I want at home and never get the tone to cut through. It's almost like I need to set up rehearsals where they play and I just tweak until I figure out how to get it to cut through.

The way this normally works in my bands is that we hit the studio to get things tight first,  then just before we're gonna hit the road we set up our PA system, do a dress rehearsal through it and make any final tweaks. I'm using a Yamaha 01V96 Digital mixer so it's real easy to just store the set up and recall it at any time. Then when we get to the venue all I need to do is a few EQ tweaks on the FOH and we're golden. My band uses the set it and forget it method. Once we balance everything out on the mixer you mark your gear and never change the settings. That way we sound the same night after night and we're not chasing after everyone's urge to turn up. If you do turn up it's obvious and someone in the band will rearrange your *********.

All that being said I think the solution (for me anyway) is get the studio for an extra 2 hours so I can set up and tear down the PA. Then play through it and tweak the night away until I get it the way I want it. Step 2 would be to get everyone using in-ear monitors and remove the amps from the picture all together. The bands really gonna love me for putting them through this. The other down side to this is that I can't just grab my XT and head down to the local Jam night. My rig will be dialed in for my setup only. So when those Jam night musicians ask what I'm using I'll be sure to point out my BOSS GT-PRO in the 2 space rack. Or maybe I'll sell that and get one of the Line 6 Bogner amps. But Line 6 will have to chime in and acknowledge that we have a problem here and offer us some solutions before I go throwing any coin in their direction.

I also use DI boxes to feed the signal to the mixer. And I too set my levels off the meters on the mixer.

DKSears   6 posts since
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47. Nov 2, 2009 5:12 PM in response to: feedingjoey
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

I have been using both an xt Live and subsequently an x3 Live through both our church's house PA and through a Peavey CS200 amp and my Marshall cabinet.  Both work fairly well.  The Peavey is only 80 watts and has a fairly flat response which makes it pretty much like portable PA just for the x3 Live.

feedingjoey   60 posts since
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48. Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM in response to: DKSears
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

Thanks for the input DK. Can I ask how much "distorted" stuff are you playing at church? And would it be possible to a get couple of your distorted patches (both for the XT and X3) that seem to cut through the best? I'd like to see how close our settings are and If I can get your patches to cut through when I'm playing. For all I know maybe there's something wrong with my unit. But I find that hard to believe for the XT AND X3.

Thanks again for the input.

DKSears   6 posts since
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49. Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM in response to: feedingjoey
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

For a normal church service, we keep things pretty light on the distortion.  My sounds for this situation are based on the Blackface Deluxe, Vibroverb and Boutique Overdrive #1 (I think) on the x3 Live and SOLO 100 set light on the drive level on the xt Live.

 

On the side, I play in a cover band that plays Third Day, Chris Tomlin, Todd Agnew and Jeremy Camp songs.  I use many of the same patches, but include a stompbox distortion in front of the amp model.  I'll try to upload a couple of the tones in the next day or two.

gjohung   15 posts since
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50. Nov 2, 2009 6:37 PM in response to: DKSears
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

I would really love to be in the audience to hear what works well really means.

DKSears   6 posts since
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51. Nov 2, 2009 7:51 PM in response to: gjohung
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

The big thing that I have found that helped me is consistency and moderation.  I took time to set up the majority of my tones with one rig at a time.  Using my wireless, I will either run through our church sound system while standing in the middle of the worship center and set the EQ flat on my mixer channel and adjust the tone controls on the amp model to get what I want.  I will then copy those tones to another bank and run the same process through my other set up using the Peavey and Marshall 4X10.  I have several guitars and make minor tweaks based on which one I am playing, but not very often or much.  I seem to have found a pretty happy medium with my gear and like the way my different guitars interact with the tones that I have set up.

 

I use quite a few lower gain settings and not very much in the way of effects.  A little chorus and reverb and the occasional stompbox distortion or compressor.  I do not use a lot of wild effects set ups.  The Peavey and Marshall rig are neutral enough that they allow me to run the cabinet emulations as well.

 

I have been complimented on my tone many times.

 

My big problem is that the same settings that I used on the xt Live do not work the same on my x3 Live, but I am learning to adapt to this.  I have just had to re-think where I build my tones from as far as which models I use.  (I just started a different thread on this subject over in the support area)

 

When I used the xt Live I found that it was most useful to have a direct box that has a direct out that allows the XLR to run to the board and the direct out to the amp that I am using for a stage monitor.  This feeds exactly the same sound from the POD to both the FOH mixer and the monitor amp.  On Sunday mornings, the pastor likes a clean stage and I get my sound folded back through the stage monitors, the singers may not like it, but it is what we have to work with, since we are small church.

 

 

To be truthful, I use the x3 Live because it gives me the flexibility I need for the different styles I have to play (I use it to preamp my acoustic as well).  If I could play my Astroverb at full volume and keep the clean in it, I would most of the time.  At bedroom / studio levels, it has one of the best clean tones, I have heard in that type of amp.

jukejointjimmy   1 posts since
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52. Nov 22, 2009 9:08 AM in response to: DKSears
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

My stage setup, which works really well and always seems to get tone compliments from other players, is a Keely compressor into POD xt Live, to direct box into FOH mix. If I'm not using in-ear monitors I run a 1/4"through" line from the direct box into a JBL EON 10" powered monitor. FOH sounds great as does my monitored sound!! I think the Keely compressor adds some "real amp" feel to the direct sound. My meat and potatoes patches utilize the Bomber (Bogner model) with very low gain for clean and "hair" patches and the SOLO 100 (Soldano model) for my big hi-gain tones. I love the portability, rugged construction, and great pallette of sounds the xt Live offers. I have traveled with it for 5 years all over Europe, the Caribean, and here at home without a single failure.....I do keep a Pocket Pod in the gig bag for an emergency back-up (I'm a good boy scout)! Looked at the X3 when it came out, but my xt Live still works well and I like it's size, switches, and construction much better.

Peace!

arby810   5 posts since
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53. Mar 1, 2010 5:04 AM in response to: jukejointjimmy
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

I use an XTL, and finally settled on these setups...

At home, I bought some powered monitors, because I was fighting too much latency when I tried to hear things through my Mac with external speakers.  I have some JBL 2P monitors, and have just plugged in from the output jacks of the XTL into the speaker's inputs.  I didn't want to take up too much room on my desk space, so the JBL's fit the bill nicely,

At church, I tried MANY setups, much frustration, and far too much "tweaking" mixed with bouts of inconsistency.  I had a Peavey Classic 30, a great little guitar amp in it's own right, but not enough flexibility for the way I play on different songs.  So I needed to stick with the XTL, but playing through the Peavey just added too much distortion, had too much trouble getting a clean sound.  I read through some of the columns on here, and found a lot of people playing through the PA, but I wanted to have some stage volume because I play right next to our drummer (good, but LOUD).  I play both electric and acoustic, but not both in the same service...  so I bought a Genz Benz Shenandoah acoustic amp (basically, it's just a PA), and now get a LOT more clarity out of the XTL, no matter which flavor of patch I'm using.  Was lucky enough to have found the Genz Benz used at the Reno GC, so that helped price-wise ($400).

Look at some of the blogs here about the atomic amps, and you'll see the direction that I took off in.  A good acoustic amp really fits the bill for someone who is going to be using a modeler, and will double nicely when you're just playing an acoustic in a mellower setting.

Happy hunting.

ivanpetrucci   1 posts since
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54. Mar 17, 2010 10:45 AM in response to: Phoenix
Re: XT Live - LIVE!?

Well, I normally connected to the street on the amplifier and EQ AMPLIFIER ATTACH THE FOLLOWING FORM, THE LOW 0 THE ENVIRONMENT IN 9 OR 10 AND SHINE ON 0, THEN PLACED IN XT OPTION IN FRONT OF AMPLIFIER ( VARY FROM OR IF STACK COMBO), and place VALUES UNDER THIS SECTION FOR MEDIUM AND SHINE OF THIS FORM, THE LOW-0, THE AVERAGE FREQUENCY varies between 100 AND 250KHZ AND THE GLOW IN 0 also, DE THIS METHOD IS THE FLAT EQ XT AMPLIFIER AND ALSO, SO NOW YOU ONLY AS IS PRESET SET YOUR AMP IF ANY ONE, SORRY MY ENGLISH.

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