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mignolyx   3 posts since
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Oct 3, 2009 4:21 PM

Variax 300 Strange behaviour

Dear Line6 R&D,

i got a very strange behaviour of my Variax 300:

after having played a very fast solo, all presets starting custom1 to special, sounding the same as custom 1.

I cannot understand what happened. I just know that my audience was "impressed" but my preset were blow away...

Please, let me know about this strange problem.

I cannot play with a guitar that change random, in the middle of a performance.

I'll wait for your reply.

 

 

Mignolyx

Crusty_Old_Rocker Checkoutthebigbrain... 1,959 posts since
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2. Oct 3, 2009 5:17 PM in response to: mignolyx
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

First of all, the rechargeable batteries are delivering a low voltage.  The battery power supply is 6 x 1.5V = 9V.  Rechargeables deliver 6 x 1.2V or 7.2V.

 

The voltage drop may be a problem.

 

You should try reinstalling the Flash Memory on the Variax.  Do you have a Workbench Interface or PODxt Live, POD X3 Live, POD X3 Pro?  Or do you know someone with one of those?  You then need Monkey to reinstall the flash memory on the guitar.

 

There is the possibility that the Variax has a hardware problem with the selector (which is a variable resistor).  If reinstalling the flash memory doesn't fix the problem then you will need to have a technician rectify the problem. You can find your nearest service centre via this link: http://line6.com/support/serviceCenters/

 

Cheers,

 

Crusty

trouthead54 Juststartin' 32 posts since
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3. Oct 4, 2009 10:01 AM in response to: Crusty_Old_Rocker
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

I can't help with the original problem but I can say that using rechargeables @7.2V is not a problem at all - more or less the first thing the battery power hits on the mainboard, is a DC to DC converter (a MAX887 IC), which converts/regulates the voltage to 5V - so therefore, so long as you have more than 5V out of your battery - so long as they're providing sufficient current (& 2800mAH AAs will be plenty!), then you're fine.

Mr_Arkadin Iknowathingortwo 477 posts since
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4. Oct 4, 2009 11:41 AM in response to: trouthead54
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

Don't know about that, whenever i've tried rechargables in E Bows and effects pedals i have bad results - even cheaper regular batteries often are quite poor for audio equipment. i always use something a bit costlier like a Duracell. Rechargeables tend to get drained a lot quicker than regular batteries too, so that 7.2V may disappear quite quickly. i would always put in a fresh set of regular batteries before a gig, using them up in studio /rehearsal time when it's not so important (or embarrassing).

 

Can't hurt to try.

trouthead54 Juststartin' 32 posts since
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5. Oct 4, 2009 12:32 PM in response to: Mr_Arkadin
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

"Don't know about that,"

 

Well I do know about that - & by bringing the E-bow into the discussion, you're now comparing apples with oranges.

 

An E-bow uses PP3s - & rechargable PP3s are faily limited in their current delivery at just 200maH .....vs 550maH for a PP3 Alkaline (& the Ebow is a relatively current hungry device - so no surprise your results weren't satisfactory).

 

6 x 2800mAh AAs are  a different kettle of fish - that's a decent amount of current delivery ability - an the MAX887 DC-DC converter doesn't really care whether it receives 9V or 7.2V (in fact 7.2V is preferable as it'll have to disspate less heat), it'll output 5V just the same ... & it's at 5V that the Variax power rail runs at.

 

Incidentally, whether the Variax sources it's power from the batteries, the RJ45 or the 1/4" jack connection - it all gets converted to 5V (albeit the way it converts each of those sources to 5V is handled differently), so like I say, so long as the current delivery is up to it (& 6 x 2800maH AA batteries is), then the battery voltage not being 9V plus matters not one iota.

 

But hey, don't take my word for it, take the manafacturer's (extract from the MAX887 datasheet)...

 

http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1538

 

The MAX887 high-efficiency, step-down DC-DC converter provides an adjustable output from 1.25V to 10.5V. It accepts inputs from 3.5V to 11V and delivers 600mA. Operation to 100% duty cycle minimizes dropout voltage (300mV typ at 500mA).

amx05462 Iknowathingortwo 1,528 posts since
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6. Oct 4, 2009 12:53 PM in response to: mignolyx
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

it shouldnt be the batteries  if your getting  2800 ma out of them  as the  factory power supply that line 6 supplys  is only 2000 ma. actual output on mine  is 8.1 v  2000 ma.  if there  newer rechargables  this shouldnt be  a  problem either  but older ones  would  charge  less each itme.   like i said  if there the  newer ones    this shouldnt  apply

 

since its a  300 and   has been around for a  while  you might  want to try  spraying your  switch  and  pots  with some  contact  cleaner.    on the  pots you have to spray down the  shaft   theres  no other  way in.

Mr_Arkadin Iknowathingortwo 477 posts since
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7. Oct 4, 2009 3:17 PM in response to: trouthead54
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

Well if you want to be a smarmy prat about it fine. i can't see a problem with the guy trying it - eliminating all the variables is the key to finding the problem.

 

Sorry, but i have yet to see a rechargable that lasts as long as a regular battery. Are you saying that a rechargeable delivers 7.2V for the whole of its charge? i would say that powering the Variax would be quite hungry and by the end of a long gig it might not be getting full current.

amx05462 Iknowathingortwo 1,528 posts since
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8. Oct 4, 2009 1:39 PM in response to: Mr_Arkadin
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

no battery gives  full power  for  the   full charge  .  my 300  would  last about 2  hours  on a  fresh  duracell.   then i took the  batteries out  and   they would  be  about 3/4  charged  or more  and  used them in other  things.   dont know  bout  other  vaxs   but the  300  only works  correctly on batterys  at there  peak  so even if you have  rechargable   ones  if there  the old  type   at some point  they never   reach  full peak.  something to do with  battery memory.   newer ones  arent  supposed to do that.  btw  correct me if im wrong  isnt  voltage  the carrier  and  amperage  the  power?

Mr_Arkadin Iknowathingortwo 477 posts since
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9. Oct 4, 2009 2:07 PM in response to: amx05462
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

amx05462 wrote:

 

no battery gives  full power  for  the   full charge  .  my 300  would  last about 2  hours  on a  fresh  duracell.   then i took the  batteries out  and   they would  be  about 3/4  charged  or more  and  used them in other  things.   dont know  bout  other  vaxs   but the  300  only works  correctly on batterys  at there  peak  so even if you have  rechargable   ones  if there  the old  type   at some point  they never   reach  full peak.  something to do with  battery memory.

 

That was sort of my point - i find rechargables' efficiency dubious at best - i would never stand in front of an audience armed with rechargables. Best bet is to just use the power supply, which should be tried anyway to see if this changes anything. If the problem still occurs then it's one less variable.

amx05462 Iknowathingortwo 1,528 posts since
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10. Oct 4, 2009 2:22 PM in response to: Mr_Arkadin
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

i know  that was my way of agreeing  with you   just  asking     what is the  meaning of pratt ?  ive  heard this  expression  over  the years  but   im not  quite  sure  what  it actually  means.  so im just being  inquisitive

trouthead54 Juststartin' 32 posts since
May 10, 2008
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11. Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM in response to: amx05462
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

This is now really straying off  - & I really don't want to start gettinging into a thread discussing Voltage vs Current - but believe me, +5V is what your Variax rail runs at (there's also a +3.3V, 1.8V & a -5V kicking about inside your Variax too ...but they're derived from the 5V supply rail anyway)...& I agree with you all - I would not stand up in front of an audience purely on rechargeables either ...but that wasn't the argument!

amx05462 Iknowathingortwo 1,528 posts since
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12. Oct 4, 2009 2:49 PM in response to: trouthead54
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

just  giving  my point of  view.

Line6Miller Line6Support 7,413 posts since
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13. Oct 7, 2009 12:21 PM in response to: mignolyx
Re: Variax 300 Strange behaviour

Hello,

 

This sounds like more of a software glitch than anything. Have you tried reinstalling the firmware on your Variax through Line 6 Monkey?

 

 

Line6Miller

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