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jws1982   51 posts since
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Oct 13, 2009 8:41 PM

Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

Is it me, or does anyone else think that the Mesa and Agro (orange and blue metal) models are better on the original Spider Valve.  I spent over an hour with the MKii 112 today in the loud room at GC.  The new amp models, effects, and controls were all excellent.  However, the aforementioned models did not sound near as good to me as they do on the original SV.  I've A/B'ed them, and the original models are much stronger and clearer.  The original mesa model retained much more note definition and clarity.  The new model sounded muddier.  The agro (blue metal) sounded quite a bit weaker to me on the MKii than on the original.

 

I noticed the same differences on the regular Spider III vs Spider IV as well.

 

I gig regularly with my Spider Valve, and I couldn't wait for the MKii.  These two models are a deal-breaker for me though.  I use these two models during many parts of my gigs, so this becomes a deal-breaker for me.  Sucks too, because I love everything else about it.

 

 

Any thoughts?

MGrd Juststartin' 123 posts since
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1. Oct 14, 2009 5:24 AM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

That's interesting!

I almost only use the Metal/amber model of my SV-100. I really like the both heavy and tight sound. Best for my Baritone and 7-String.

Since I don't use effects (which seem to be better on the MK-II), I only would care about that model (and  the other metal models) of the MK-II

 

By the way: What's about the new Insane/amber model?

Karl_Houseknecht Iknowathingortwo 1,033 posts since
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3. Oct 14, 2009 10:02 AM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

I think the Metal Blue (Agro, I guess) responds more to the mid control than it did in the MKI.  Seems like there is a much bigger difference in the distortion character than there used to be.  At max, it is definitely more fuzz like.  At min, it is much tighter and defined.

phil_m Iknowathingortwo 618 posts since
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6. Oct 15, 2009 1:27 PM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

Well, they may be the exact same amp that being modeled, but the Spider III and SV MKi are basically using the POD 2.0 amp models and the Spider IV and SV MKii are using the POD XT/X3 amp models.  So it doesn't surprise me that there's significant differences in the models between the two generations.  There were all sorts of these types of posts when people switched from using the POD 2.0 to the XT years ago.

 

It is sort of counterintuitive, because you would think that even if different modeling schemes are used on each amp, the same amp models would be pretty close. But it seems that for whatever reason there just are differences between them.

Karl_Houseknecht Iknowathingortwo 1,033 posts since
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7. Oct 15, 2009 1:31 PM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

It's not just the Metal Amber and Blue that sound different on this amp.  Almost every model does.  The big shocker to me was how much more usable the Insane Blue was.  Insane Blue seems to be where most of the Metal Blue tone went.  And then Metal Blue started sounding a lot more like a JCM800...but I'm not sure in a good way.

 

My amp is going back to the retailer due to bad cab vibrations.  It sounds like it's about to shake itself to pieces.  Didn't really start doing that until I played it for a good solid hour or so.

cgtrox Iknowathingortwo 952 posts since
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10. Oct 15, 2009 8:42 PM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

Hey Jason, I was listening to your band, you guys friggin rock man! Very fresh approach and it's very cool, love the keys and vocals. If you still have the old SV212 you should try the SV Pre in it, it rocks. www.strymon.net

 

 

cgtrox

Apologist Juststartin' 173 posts since
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12. Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

Nashville Eh? I should have ya over so you can hear the MKII through a Line Vetta II 4x12 I'm just a hop skip and a jump away down here in Southern Middle TN

tubetoneloverAZ   15 posts since
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13. Oct 22, 2009 11:14 PM in response to: Apologist
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

Hay another newbe here i have a quick question that i will keep even longer is the new SVmkll saposee to be any more dependible ? not trying to step on toes but i noticed that there are alot of people having issues with the original i got one 3 weeks ago right out of the original box for well lets say under $400. and have had rattles buzz's it shifting from a bank to c and also jumping from one pre set to the other have these concerns been addressed or ? Another thing i read that mids are more tweakable and responsive and the insane i beleive it was is actualy usee able witch rocks cause i can hear in mine the orig SV the potential but its sound so much like well a chep dime store amp to be honest unless you spend an hour setting it it should sound great right off not just noise sorry that kinda sounded synical! I like mine but i am afraid as to what will happen next i just got done tightening all the bolts "screws" for the second time any more of this and i will have to use lock tight LOL...   Thanks R.M.

playingitloud   9 posts since
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14. Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM in response to: jws1982
Re: Spider Valve MKii - Mesa and Agro (Metal) models compared to original

I went to a local Guitar Center and picked up the Spider Valve MKII head and brought it home last night.

 

Well, I spent a large part of the night going through the presets. There is not that many to try out unlike the Spider Valve MKI (which I have as well) so after about an hour I was pretty familiar with it.

 

I was told that there is no Artist presets or the 60's through 00's presets as well because users of the original said they wanted more available user presets. It is easier to work with when you don't have all those extra ones to try out (some did start sounding the same after awhile on the original).

 

About the sound: Even though I play styles/genres from Classical to Thrash Metal I find I prefer to have a great Heavy sound (Testament, Megadeth, etc....) with a cleaner lead tone (less distorted signal, Malmsteem, Pettrucci, etc...). I found there was really only two useable Heavy presets on it last night (of course you can tweek others or make a custom setting).

 

I messed around wiith a few of the new amp models in it with different guitars that I have to see if it sounded better with passive, JB/59's or EMG 81's, and the EMG's sounded a little better on it.

 

I felt after spending a few hours on it today that the Heavy Rhythm sound was good, not great, and I don't think it was any better than the original just a little different sounding. It can get a little bit of that heavy boutique sound on the lower strings but the higher strings sounded flat, lifeless .

 

I kept comparing my saved settings from the original to a few that I was tweeking on the MKII. I think I like the original better.

 

One main reason is that the new one, MKII, sounds flat for leads on the bottom strings. Try a lead lick like, say Wasted Years from Iron Maiden, on the original on a good Heavy Setting then try it on the MKII. You'll find it sounds flat, no great response. It doesn't have that combination of a tight but "bouncy" feel I was hoping for in it. My Marshall JMP1 preamp through any of my power amps sound way better than what I was hearing.

 

I do feel the Noise Gate was working great, way better than the one in the original which gives me a lot of feedback (I usually keep my volume knob a little less than completely on full volume to get the feedback to be gone from the original). I was not getting any feedback or noise when I use this one.

 

Another thing I noticed was that the new way of editing bass, mids, treble, etc ... has a snag in it. When you go to adjust any of them it drops a significant amount in the volume and then you have to try to find where it was at originally to see if you should have changed it from the original setting, very annoying.

 

I am going to return it because I originally bought the first model to use as a back up for my heavy weighing power amps or as a head that has a workable tone for jamming with friends when moving my rig would be too much for one person so I hadn't really used it much and this one doesn't seem to be a great improvement over the first one. I think I prefer the sounds from the first one but I wish I could get it to sound less fake/digital/mushy and more like my Marshall JMP1.

 

Anyone else compare the heads (not the combos, the speakers can make it sound different)?

 

I do use a Mesa 4x12 cab and two 1x12 EVM Mesa single cabs as well. This could be part of it because I did think the actual matching Line 6 4x12 cab sounded pretty good with my head when I compared the two cabs. It just would be a shame to get rid of my Mesa's because of the better matching of the Line 6 cab and Spider Valve head.

 

Maybe I am going to give that SV Pre a try to see if it can make the original more like what I want, great tight rhythm and bouncy/tight lead.

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