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ignatius   25 posts since
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Nov 14, 2009 6:53 AM

The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

I find that the single LCD on the M9 makes for a very limiting user interface. You've gotta have a damn good memory to essentially memorize what you've placed in any of six slots in six, or even worse 24, different scenes because the M9 does virtually nothing to help you know what's where ("Hmm, is that blue light in the top row of the second slot of scene 4 a flanger or a chorus? And which delay is that green light?" - this is not an easy decision process in the middle of a gig when someone calls a tune, or even in the middle of a song). I like my M9 and I've decided to keep it, but this limitation was almost a deal breaker for me.

 

To be honest, I think the user interface is a fundamental design flaw of both the M9 and M13. I mean come on, an LCD that displays a small black font on a blue background for crying out loud? Figure that the average player is nearly six feet away from that display or more if you're leaning back or whatever, and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that it's going to be hard to read. To me, Line 6 has designed a performance-based product that has a UI more suited to desktop use.  What other pro-level, floor-based unit has such a tiny and unreadable display? 

 

I think Line 6 should have incorporated either a second, easy to read LED display (too late for that, obviously) or they should somehow configure the existing LCD/LCD's to display a larger font on a lighter backround. Maybe a user-definable scene name that scrolls in the window or something like that.   With the M9's single LCD this is particularly important.

nicjimbass Juststartin' 24 posts since
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1. Nov 14, 2009 7:05 AM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

Wow, nothing like bashing a company on it's own forum. Classy.

 

From the sound of your post, you have yet to gig with your M9/M13, correct? I'm one who has gigged my M13 alot, and I've never had a single problem with the LCD screens, whether it be seeing them or remembering what is in what spot.

 

As far as saying that the units are better used in a desktop rig, tell that to the pros out there using these live everyday. The 2 bands that come to mind right off the bat are Thrice and Dead By Sunrise. I'm pretty sure at that level they could go the Bradshaw route or whatever, yet they go with the M13. Honestly, I'm cool with you giving your opinion, but, respectfully, I think you're off the mark.

kruzty Juststartin' 27 posts since
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2. Nov 14, 2009 7:42 AM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

If you want more LCDs, why not go with the m13?  I don't have an m9, but I think the user interface is what really set the m13 apart from anything else.  It is so easy to use - you don't have to think about it when changing parameters.  Anything else in its class you have to go through menus, worry about saving, and you still usually only have one display that tells you what things are.  The only way it could be much better (from a UI perspective) is if it had a display for every button, and that's just not practical.

 

I think if you use it awhile it will become more intuitive to use with regards to knowing what effects are where.  Otherwise, I suggest springing for the m13 and get the extra LCDs.

nicjimbass Juststartin' 24 posts since
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4. Nov 14, 2009 12:03 PM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

The disrespect I see in your post is saying how Line 6 missed the mark and how the finished product has a design flaw. Granted, it's not perfect, but I'm sure in order to hit a certain price point with these pedals, some things had to be toned down. The attitude behind saying such things seems to be one of knowing more than the people who get paid to make this stuff. It's easy to say stuff like that in the internet, but putting it into practice, ie, being hands-on inside the company is a whole new ballgame.

 

There are apparently links somehwere on the site that will allow you to send in any sort of ideas/ suggestions you have as to what Line 6 should do in the future. The forum isn't that outlet, even though many people use it as such. Rich and the gang do hang out here alot, but whenever something like this comes up, they direct people to the proper channel, as they really have no say in the matter (IIRC).

 

I don't consider myself a Line 6 fan boy or even a fan, really. I dig the M13. I've been through a bunch of other L6 stuff that didn't do it for me, at all. As far as the pro's go, I mentioned them simply because they play music for a living, on a daily basis, and this is a good enough unit for them, and yet because it's not perfect for you, it's cool to come onto the forum and voice your displeasure. Like I said, there are avenues to take your displeasure down, but the forum won't do much, if anything to help you out.

 

I guess bottom line is this: Line 6 has done their homework, and I think the cost to return ratio is outstanding for both the M9 & M13. If it's not enough for you, there are other options out there, albeit more expensive, but they're out there.

creekhed   30 posts since
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5. Nov 14, 2009 12:36 PM in response to: nicjimbass
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

While I do have trouble seeing the displays on my M13 clearly without bending down...and I do think they could be bigger...I think OVERALL the M13 (and M9) are EXCELLENT products. I really have to look for something to gripe about (Pardon the Pun!)

 

A SOLID ***A*** in my gradebook. (Slightly bigger SCREENS would bring it to an A+)

osvijazz   29 posts since
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6. Nov 14, 2009 3:52 PM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

I understand your post and I'm going to say what I think because all of my requests have been answered on the M9, Chorus volume, (although it's still boosting, not to much though) better knob response and instant tuner. It's very hard to memorize what is where. I have one scene that I don't change too much plus another one for those less used fx. I label them A & B with big, legible words or abbreviation. You are right in that words in the lcd display are way small. I can see them while setting parameters but not while playing. I would suggest line6 to do an "fill the whole screen type of font" that would come up a few seconds after tweaking your sound. That would be very nice especially for the M13 users.

 

Other than that I think this is such a nice piece of gear, very usable. So, is anyone listenning/reading at the office???

phil_m Iknowathingortwo 880 posts since
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7. Nov 14, 2009 6:18 PM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

I think the M13 interface is actually darn near perfect, honestly.  It is easy to program, and it's intuitive. The M9 is a little harder to get used to just because they scrunched a whole lot of stuff in a little package.  I've used the M13 live for over a year, and I have to say the LCD have never been an issue.  This weekend I was actually just playing at a bigger gig and the stage was very bright, and I could see the LCDs fine.  They are actually easier to read when it's darker.  The other thing is that when I'm playing live, I don't typically need to look at the LCDs that much.  I'm paying more attention to the LEDs above the switches.

jack_cass Juststartin' 104 posts since
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8. Nov 14, 2009 7:30 PM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

I actually think one of the big things that Line 6 has done right with pretty much all of their gear is the interface. Have you ever used any BOSS modeling stuff? That's horrible. Compare the ME-70 with the M13/M9 and I think you have to say the Line 6 gear wins the interface battle hands-down.

 

The bottom line is you've just got to know where everything is. If that's too difficult (maybe you're doing a bunch of covers in different styles, or maybe your band is just all over the place with crazy effects), then maybe using latch scene mode is the option for you?

cgtrox Iknowathingortwo 1,079 posts since
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9. Nov 14, 2009 9:13 PM in response to: osvijazz
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

osvijazz wrote:

 

I would suggest line6 do a "fill the whole screen type of font" that would come up a few seconds after tweaking your sound. That would be very nice especially for the M13 users.

 

Other than that I think this is such a nice piece of gear, very usable. So, is anyone listenning/reading at the office???

That's one thing you can count on is them listening. That is a great idea bro, it would be very cool for live use. Also, make that same font pop up for one second when you change effects so you will know what it is when you change it. Just the full name of the effect would be good, like "TRI CHORUS","HARMONIZER", "80A FLANGER", etc.

 

cgtrox

geeker Iknowathingortwo 888 posts since
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11. Nov 15, 2009 8:15 AM in response to: ignatius
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

most guitarists tweak before they hit the stage. do final adjustments during soundcheck. I never tweak during a show unless I absolutely have to....

creekhed   30 posts since
Oct 21, 2009
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12. Nov 15, 2009 8:38 AM in response to: geeker
Re: The M9 user interface - Line 6 missed the mark

I'm constantly tweaking....little bits. A little less gain here, a little more depth there...etc...

 

That's one of the things I REALLY like about the M13...I can tweak on the fly with next to no effort.

 

Stupid is is stupid does

geeker Iknowathingortwo 888 posts since
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13. Nov 15, 2009 11:04 AM in response to: creekhed
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I know, it's like having actual stomboxes in front of you...... you have to bend down and tweak those too.....right?

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