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Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:04:28 GMT

Neal --

As I am an electrical engineer, the specs are the first thing I research. In's outs, amp models, FX, speaker models, mic models, all the goodies under the hood. Not a stranger to a soldering iron, build my PC's etc., etc..

I've been gigging out since I was 16 years old, in the early 70's. I'm a weekender, so my main income is not from playing -- it just finances my music gear without guilt... ;o)

I found your comment about the separate control of the the 1/4" outputs interesting, and contrary to the comments of others in the forums here. I never got to test it out as I was fairly frustrated with the defective unit I had, and just took it back... Odd that this has come up numerous times in the forums both here and in the HD POD support area.... If it's true that the main volume only controls the 1/4" outs and not the XLR, it removes most of my initial objections to the HD500. If you would, please verify that that is how the unit behaves. I'm sure some of the comments in this area were specifically that the main volume cotrolled the 1/4", XLR, and SPDIF all at once and could not be assigned differently... Cool if that's not the case after all.

In the mean time, I've got to get my JTV acoustic models & X3L models for them in shape and practice some new music for the band practice before this weekend's gig. I will try your EQ suggestions, but can't get too deep into it, as I'll be pressed for time. The few songs I use the acoustic models for at this point mean that I've just got to get it passable for now with my X3L. Have to retool my existing patches for the acoustics, as they simply don't sound good the way I have them for the JTV before the update.

I know Ovations aren't everybody's cup of meat, but I do find their sound pleasing in the right setting. I'm not wanting to can the existing acoustic models, but would hope that some expansion of available sounds is not an impossibility for the Variax models. I know they've focused on what are considered to be classic models of the different guitars, but I also know that is a very subjective thing. "Classic" or "Vintage" means different things to different people... I am not a purist in any way concerning music or my gear.

I use a few setup's in my patches -- Clean like a Twin, Edgy -- like a Bassman on the edge of breakup, classic rock distortion, and Marshall - like heavier distortion, with some variations of FX combinations. The JTV with a Drop D and Drop Db, a full step down to D. Just basic stuff, really. Most of my time gigging, I'm on the Edgy amp model with the JTV on mags...

Thanks,

Dave

Message was edited by: David Barnes - corrected a typo

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:38:13 GMT

jyflorida wrote:

"If you had the same set up - I could send you patches of each piece of the "Dream Rig' puzzle, so you could hear and see for yourself how I accomplish what I accomplish with the gear I have."

Hi Neal,

I'm very interested in your "puzzle" if you don't mind, being that I've got the Dream Rig setup.

Thanks very much,
Jim

I sent you a PM

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:09:11 GMT

Can I get an Amen!

We've from "What if..." to "If only..."

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:03:17 GMT

Ya I'm old too, used to dream of the things we have today, thinking "wouldn't it be amazing if"... and now it's all here. Back in the day though there were a lot more clubs set up for bands and they had enough stage space to set up a band. Now it seems like in all the clubs the band is an afterthought, "oh we'll just fit them over there". And yes we are down to doing everything ourselves as well. Unless we score a corporate gig at which point we are so used to doing it ourselves that we just do it anyway. My son will do lights for us if needed otherwise I either don't bring them or just set them up and put them on auto. It would be nice to mix the new technology with the old days for playing.

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:47:04 GMT

litesnsirens wrote:
...but it seems to me that with the JTV being part of the dream rig they should have put some tweeters in the DT25/DT50 that could be enabled disabled with a switch (which could also be controlled via L6 Link). The idea being that you could get the amp to be full range for acoustic guitar sounds (and even vocals now that I think of it) and disable the tweeters for regular guitar amp sounds. Rivera makes a hybrid electric/acoustic guitar amp with this type of feature, the Sedona model. It just makes sense to me, I mean they have the acoustic sounds built into the JTV's and mic inputs in the HD500.

I agree 100%. I have a different solution to this sonic "mishap" you are discussing, but my "crazy rig" is not for the faint of heart. LOL

I play bass as well as guitar and keys at the same time in most of my band projects. Not enough money for live bands these days to pay for more than three or at most four piece groups. All without paying for a soundman or stage lighting - we get to do that ourselves as well. PA is my job aside from performing, the lights are the other guys job.

I get around this Acoustic situation by sending my acoustic signals to my bass rig which does have an attentuator controlled set of tweeters. I get the true full range sound and sparkle of the acoustic guitar patches as well as any other patches I want that additional extended high end for. not on any "guidbook" for the guitar players out there, but I'm old and remember how we all had be to very creative when working with the gear we had back then. Nothing nearly as sophisticated and I had to use real acoustic guitars mounted on walk-behind stands. Too much stage space, plus all the prblems of getting enough volume without feedback. Tricky stuff, but we all figured out our own way of dealing with these situations. Now the Line 6 gear makes all that go away and much simpler in the long run.

Take care,

Neal

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:25:42 GMT

"If you had the same set up - I could send you patches of each piece of the "Dream Rig' puzzle, so you could hear and see for yourself how I accomplish what I accomplish with the gear I have."

Hi Neal,

I'm very interested in your "puzzle" if you don't mind, being that I've got the Dream Rig setup.

Thanks very much,

Jim

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:32:54 GMT

davidb7170 wrote:

Neal --

As I am an electrical engineer, the specs are the first thing I research. In's outs, amp models, FX, speaker models, mic models, all the goodies under the hood. Not a stranger to a soldering iron, build my PC's etc., etc..

I've been gigging out since I was 16 years old, in the early 70's. I'm a weekender, so my main income is not from playing -- it just finances my music gear without guilt... ;o)

I found your comment about the separate control of the the 1/4" outputs interesting, and contrary to the comments of others in the forums here. I never got to test it out as I was fairly frustrated with the defective unit I had, and just took it back... Odd that this has come up numerous times in the forums both here and in the HD POD support area.... If it's true that the main volume only controls the 1/4" outs and not the XLR, it removes most of my initial objections to the HD500. If you would, please verify that that is how the unit behaves. I'm sure some of the comments in this area were specifically that the main volume cotrolled the 1/4", XLR, and SPDIF all at once and could not be assigned differently... Cool if that's not the case after all.

Thanks,
Dave

Hi Dave - I've read this far thru your post and I can affirm that the Master volume I've been using on my POD HD500 and POD HD PRO does not affect the volume sent to the XLR outputs, nor to the L6 Link outputs. Just the 1/4" outs and headphone output. This is how my unit is working, and I've done nothing other than the updates publicly posted when they were available.

I wish I knew why my situation is different than others - as I've read those posts as well - but I can only write about my personal experiences. Perhaps if this continues as an issue for some, I'll just make a video showing my connections and turning the Master volume knob and what happens with each connection.

I promise to read the rest of you post ASAP and reply if needed.

Take care,

Neal

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:24:01 GMT

Can you tell us whether Gear Box is going to be updated to work with or at least better with the JTV or are you guys done upgrading the Gear Box software? I use Gear Box so much to pogram my X3 Live that it cripples me a bit the way Gear Box works now with the JTV.

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:47:24 GMT

Line6Hugo wrote:

Hello,

We appreciate the feedback on the new models and how they sound. I'd recommend using the following product feedback link to tell how you feel about them:

http://line6.com/company/contact/productfeedback/

There is a bug in the update where you currently cannot save alternate tunings to the acoustics at this time. Work around is to use the Tunings available on the Alt Tuning knob of the JTV guitars. We are currently working on addressing this as soon as possible.

Regards,

Line6Hugo

Hi Hugo - I can add my thoughts about the new features, etc. in the feedback section you've posted but their is a limit on how many characters are in the message box. Nothing is that simple unless I'm extremely general with my remarks. Are generalities what would be best in that product feedback section or should I post several feedback forms each covering one aspect of the whole picture?

Just curious, am I doing anything wrong or inappropriate here helping others with their personal problems and experiences with any of the Dream Rig gear?

Thanks,

Neal

Re: Some more thoughts on the 1.81 Firmware update...

support@line6.com — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:37:13 GMT

Hello,

We appreciate the feedback on the new models and how they sound. I'd recommend using the following product feedback link to tell how you feel about them:

http://line6.com/company/contact/productfeedback/

There is a bug in the update where you currently cannot save alternate tunings to the acoustics at this time. Work around is to use the Tunings available on the Alt Tuning knob of the JTV guitars. We are currently working on addressing this as soon as possible.

Regards,

Line6Hugo