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PODFarm 2.5 and Reason 7


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Hello,

 

I am using PODFarm 2.5 and reason 7 to record guitar.

Sound card is Line6 GX. Mac Yosemite.

 

I create an audio track in reason and add a reverb effects unit to it.

I hear from the headphones connected to the line6 gx soundcard output. I get a certain sound

 

I open pod farm 2.5 and insert an amp. i get the sound that i want.

 

I play the guitar then record what i play. What i play, what i hear through the headphones, is different from what ends up being recorded in reason.

 

This happens with all effects added to the audio track, not just reverb. What I hear on headphones while playing is different from what ends up being recorded.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Hani

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What you hear from the headphones while recording is the sound produced by Pod Farm. It sounds like the reverb FX you are adding is not from Pod Farm but from some other software FX library. Reason is adding the Reverb FX to the sound after it leaves Pod Farm and before it is recorded. Hence you don't hear it while recording but you do hear it on playback.

 

If you want to hear the non-Pod Farm FX while recording you will have to turn ON your software monitoring within the Reason program, and turn OFF the direct monitoring feature in the GX. This will most likely introduce some latency; you will hear the sound delayed by some short time after you pluck a note or strum a chord. There are ways to minimize the delay but you may not be able to get rid of it completely.

 

My suggestion is to avoid the delay, leave the GX direct monitoring on, leave the Reason monitoring off, and use Pod Farm as much as possible for the FX. Get the sound in Pod Farm as close as possible to what you want in the end and apply any additional FX to the track after it is recorded. In other words, why are you using the non-Pod Farm reverb FX? Can't you find the same or similar in Pod Farm?

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Hi Silverhead,

 

Thanks for the reply. I am using non-Pod Farm reverb FX because Reason has an advanced reverb unit which is "pretty amazing." The reverbs in Pod Farm do not do what it can do; do not give the atmospheric control that it gives. 

 

I could not find how to turn off the monitoring feature in the GX. If you could advise about that I would be greatful, but there is something I should point out first: 

 

You said

 

 

"What you hear from the headphones while recording is the sound produced by Pod Farm. It sounds like the reverb FX you are adding is not from Pod Farm but from some other software FX library. Reason is adding the Reverb FX to the sound after it leaves Pod Farm and before it is recorded. Hence you don't hear it while recording but you do hear it on playback."

 

But that isnt what is happening. When I insert the Reason Reverb to the Reason audio track, there is a noticeable change in the headphone sound. It becomes the reverbed sound that I want (amplified and manipulated by POD Farm tools too.) The sound i hear on the headphones is PODFarm + Reason Reverb. This is quite frustrating, as if I could maintain the reverbed sound i hear through my headphones that would be ideal, but when I record and playback I get a different sound. What's the difference: In Headphones: guitar loud and sharp, atmospherics supporting. After recording: guitar low and "out there," atmospherics dominating.

 

Any more ideas are very much appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Hani

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Hi,

 

Ok I figured out what is happening. If Silverhead you can help I would appreiciate this a lot. 

 

If you click on Mixer VIEW in podfarm you can see the volume fader for TONE A. So what is happening is this:

 

If the volume fader of tone A is at Max, When I hear through the headphones, i hear the reason reverb + podfarm sound. 

However, when I record and playback, I hear a sound that is identical to the sound I would hear through the headphones if the tone A volume fader is turned all the way down! How do I make it so that the recorded sound is taking the tone A volume at max when that is what is set?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Hani

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Hi Silverhead,

 

It is ALWAYS doing what I just said. Whether or not I add an effect IN reason, Reason is always recording the track as if I have the fader of Tone A in the Pod Farm mixer pulled all the way down. So this is strange.... how to fix this?

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I have realized something new about this issue. Explaining it this way may help someone help me.

 

There are 2 output tracks that work independently of one another. This is peculiar as this makes PODFarm 2.5 and Reason incompatible when they shouldn't be so, or my configuration is faulty.

 

One may play guitar on reason 7 with no podfarm and hear a guitar sound through the line 6 gx headphones out. _ Reason 7 Output

One may play guitar on podfarm with no reason 7 and hear a guitar sound through the line 6 gx headphones out. _ PODFarm Output

One opens PODFarm 2.5 and reason 7, adds an audio track in reason 7, the 2 outputs mentioned above are operating simultaneously. 

 

And the effects added in reason affect the output of the PODFarm signal. The effects added in PODFarm effect the output of the Reason Signal.

 

I want the PODFarm output Signal to be recorded. "It was the one that I hear in my headphones" is an incorrect statement. I hear both output signals through my headphones, but the reason 7 output signal is in the far background so I barely hear it. That "in the background" sound is what is being recorded. I would like to record the PODFarm output signal but this has been impossible so far.

 

Regards,

 

Hani

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Sorry, I'm still not sure exactly how you have things set up while you are recording, but try this as an experiment.....

 

1) create a new Reason project file, with no tracks or recordings yet in it. Make sure that Reason is using the GX and its ASIO driver as the audio input/output device (see Audio Setup or equivalent in Reason Settings/Preferences)

2) create a new stereo audio track in Reason

3) select the Pod Farm preset that you want to use for the recording

4) arm the track for recording and select GX1+2 as the stereo input for recording the track

5) IMPORTANT: do NOT add any Reason FX while recording the track

6) IMPORTANT: make sure the Input Monitoring feature is OFF in Reason

7) Record the track

 

When you play the track back you should hear that the recorded sound is exactly the sound you heard in the headphones while recording (except perhaps for volume level, which you can adjust in the Reason Mixer). If this is not the case there is a problem with your audio setup in Reason or with your GX device.

 

If the sound is the same, then the likely explanation for your current problem is either #5 or #6 above. You can always add the Reason Reverb FX to the track on playback, after the track has been recorded without the Reverb FX. And while using the GX you should never have Reason Record Monitoring ON; the GX is your monitoring device.

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Hi Silverhead,

 

I tried what you said and what you said happened. So the problem: "headphone sound is different from recorded sound" has been solved.

 

And here we find that the headphone sound is no longer the one that I want! So I discovered something wonderful about this situation. If I keep the monitoring on the reason audio track turned on, I hear TWO guitars being played simultaneously. There is the Reason Output sound and the PODFarm Output sound. It turns out that PODFarm amp setup affects the Reason Output sound, but that the Reason FX do not affect the PODFarm Output sound. So if Reason monitoring is kept on, the sound I hear from my headphones is:

 

A- PODFarm Output Sound

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B- Reason Output Sound Amplified by PODFarm units and manipulated by Reason FX

 

Sound A is the REAL guitar sound. It is the guitar sound that guides me to play what I want to play. Sound B is TOO FAR OUT into the distance and cant be used as an adequate guide while playing, but when it is in the background while I am playing, the compounded affect is wonderful.

 

 

This compounded affect is the sound I want recorded, only that can't be recorded, because if Reason Monitoring is on, the PODFarm output sound will not be recorded.

 

So this is a new idea in recording using Reason:

 

First, record an Audio Track with Reason Monitoring switched on. This way you'll still be able to hear the Amplified PODFarm guitar output, used as a playing guide, but the recorded sound will only be the reason output.

Then create another audio track and switch Reason monitoring off, and play the exact same notes. In this case you will only hear the PODFarm Output through your headphones and that will be what is recorded.

Now you have 2 audio tracks, when played back, that give you the compounded sound you hear in your headphones when you are playing with outputs from both PODFarm and Reason 7!

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You could do this in a single recording if you don't use stereo FX in Pod Farm. That way you will be using exactly the same guitar playing input for both Reason tracks, and no need for a repeat performance of the same notes.. Here's how:

 

- In Pod Farm Tone A, apply your PF amps and mono FX as you wish.

- In Pod Farm Tone B, do not use any amps/FX. This keeps the tone dry - only the guitar signal is heard.

- in the Pod Farm mixer, pan Tone A fully left and pan Tone B fully right.

- in Reason, arm two tracks for recording.

- in track one select GX1 (the left side of the GX mixer output) as the record source input. Do not use any Reason FX.

- in track two select GX2 (the right side of the GX mixer output) as the record source input. Apply the Reason FX that you want to be recorded.

- now record the two tracks simultaneously while you play the guitar.

 

On playback you should find the two audio tracks that you describe in the last sentence of your previous post.

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Yes exactly! I was coming to post about this right now as I've stumbled upon it my self. Only I didn't do it like that. All I had to do was to create 2 Audio Tracks in reason, 1 with reason monitoring enabled and one without. And both tracks can record simultaneously, so I get one track non-reason monitored which is the PODFarm sound and one track reason monitored which is the (PODFarm + Reason FX)  and  I get the sound I want.

 

Thank you!

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