Shadowrunner Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Hi there. OK, so I just bought Native, having owned a Helix Floor for nearly 2 years. Now, I accept that I walked right into this one without knowing (or trying the trial). The reason I bought it was that I thought the DSP limit would be gone. But it's not, because Line 6 wants patches to be interchangeable between hardware and software, and that's a good reason. So my question is whether or not there are plans to include an option to turn it off, or be able to mark a patch as "Native Only" and have the limit lifted on a per-patch basis. Maybe even have the option to have as many paths and sub-paths as a user could handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirtualGuitars Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Hi there. OK, so I just bought Native, having owned a Helix Floor for nearly 2 years. Now, I accept that I walked right into this one without knowing (or trying the trial). The reason I bought it was that I thought the DSP limit would be gone. But it's not, because Line 6 wants patches to be interchangeable between hardware and software, and that's a good reason. So my question is whether or not there are plans to include an option to turn it off, or be able to mark a patch as "Native Only" and have the limit lifted on a per-patch basis. Maybe even have the option to have as many paths and sub-paths as a user could handle. +1. It would be very nice to have this a feature that was specific to Helix Native; however, as an IT professional, this may be more difficult to implement than it seems because of the shared code base. I do agree that it would be very nice to have a DSP limit that was only limited on your Mac/PC CPU processing power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrunner Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 +1. It would be very nice to have this a feature that was specific to Helix Native; however, as an IT professional, this may be more difficult to implement than it seems because of the shared code base. I do agree that it would be very nice to have a DSP limit that was only limited on your Mac/PC CPU processing power. That's a good point, of course they'd have to work some magic with the code. Maybe a separate plugin altogether? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr0sty Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 There has been some talk about Line 6 considering this. There's an idea scale open for the request. Feel free to upvote it. https://line6.ideascale.com/a/idea-v2/918780 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicLaw Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Digital Igloo (Online Handle of Line 6's Helix Senior Product Manager), posted a few months ago that they are looking into this issue. There was no promise that this capability would be implemented, nor was there any timeline indicated. I would not expect this to appear in version 2.5 firmware (anticipated to be released this coming week). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrunner Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Ah, well, I always look forward to new firmware! I imagine it's an event anyone with a firmware-updatable device froths at the mouth for :D Thanks, fr0sty, for the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSaints79 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Upvoted! Would really love to see the DSP limit removed for Native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just a thought, and I haven't tested this...... Has anyone tried using 2 instances of Helix Native in their DAW to simulate a doubling of the DSP? You would arrange your signal flow in the 2 instances to mimic what you would otherwise do if the DSP limit were removed. You could do it on the same track where (presumably) the output of the 1st instance feeds into the 2nd instance. Alternatively you might need to create a second (empty) audio track and route the output of Track 1 into the input of Track 2 with both tracks having one instance of Helix Native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Yes, this works as long as you have sufficient CPU horsepower in your DAW. You also have to keep an eye on your gain staging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmniFace Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 1:20 PM, silverhead said: Just a thought, and I haven't tested this...... Has anyone tried using 2 instances of Helix Native in their DAW to simulate a doubling of the DSP? You would arrange your signal flow in the 2 instances to mimic what you would otherwise do if the DSP limit were removed. You could do it on the same track where (presumably) the output of the 1st instance feeds into the 2nd instance. Alternatively you might need to create a second (empty) audio track and route the output of Track 1 into the input of Track 2 with both tracks having one instance of Helix Native. I just got Helix Native, and tried chaining two instances so that the first had Doubler enabled, and the second was just supposed to be a dual amp setup. I found that for some reason the instant I put two amps into the 2nd chain, it summed to mono. If I had an amp on one side, but not the other, the 2nd instance was still in stereo. Since I'm new to the program, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Stereo effects in front of an amp /cab get summed to mono. Put your stereo stuff after your amp(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolko60 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 9:20 PM, silverhead said: Has anyone tried using 2 instances of Helix Native in their DAW to simulate a doubling of the DSP? Yes, I have. Like with all plugins you can use as many instances as your CPU can handle in any configuration - serial, parallel, looped... but I think it does not make sense. If you work with DAW you have almost unlimited number of other plugins IR loaders , reverbs and so on. So you can easilly override any HxN limitations. 5 instances Hx Native use about 30% CPU power of old 3gen 4 core i5 with 10ms Round Trip Latency (vs one instance on Dual DSP Hardware Helix at 1,8ms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester700 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just to update - this spring's Native v. 1.80 is supposed to eliminate the limitation. Add as many blocks as your CPU can handle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr0sty Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Praise the maker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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