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Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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Jan 29, 2010 5:03 PM

Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

Hi guys -

 

I have to ask you for some help here.

 

I have the X3L and decided on a PA to power it based on all I've read over the years on the Line6 Forums and the consensus about FR/FR. So I picked up a JBL EON 315G demo from Sweetwater Sound for a good price but can't tweak the Pod to set up for rehearsals and Sunday services where I live.

 

a little history on me...
I have been using a Pod since I got my XTL 5+ years ago.
I am just about to start playing in the church band again after 5 years off due to chronic pain, spinal injuries and strong medication.
I have been hearing His calling to come back to play at church and will grin and bare it and with His help and strength, I will serve again no matter how hard it is physically. I have been off work for 4 years, and have been playing every day for hours on end and even went back to refresh myself with an instructor I studied theory and technique with 19 years ago.
But since I have had modeling/MFX I haven't played out live...just bedroom and headphones.
The big problem right now is that I can't gain entry to the church sanctuary to test out at gig volume. We sold our church in a Journey of Faith to relocate and are renting our 40 year old church from the new Korean 7th Day Adventist owners.
So I have to go into a rehearsal cold, never having used the X3L and JBL PA combo over bedroom level and even that is lower than most because our lease specifies NO ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTS. So only when the guy downstairs leaves can I even dare to run the EON and that is still at low volume.

 

After months of waiting, I just got my schedule to start playing on some of the P/W teams starting in February and as much as I want to do this for the Lord and as much as I know He will help...I'm having a major panic attack here. The enemy is attacking with a vengeance. I have been praying off and on since i got the emails about the new schedule today for peace and decernment. I thought itwould be a good idea to come here and ask for some advice and support from some of the forum members on this group.

 

For about a month I have been scared to use the Pod and have been obsessing that getting the Spider IV 75 would ease the fear of sounding real bad with the untested and un-tweaked Pod. It's not G.A.S.this time.
We are doing all the typical Chris Tomlin, Hillsong, Tommy Walker, etc. stuff...2 keyboards, one acoustic guitar, one electric guitar (until we move and get more stage room for 2 electrics), drums and 3-5 vocalists. I'll be using the EON for a stage monitor and running XLRs out to the FOH and using in ear buds for the first time.

 

 

I have followed all the usual advice about having core tones, go to amps and effects ready for simplicity but just wonder if the Pod will sound good or if I should just ease my mind and get a new Spider IV 75 and a FBV Shortboard MkII (not the SV -too much $) and leave the Pod alone till I get my sea legs  - so to speak. My wife thinks it sounds like an electric guitar amp and thinks I'm nuts...she's usually right about that but I'm not too sure this time.

 

Anything you can advise me will be much appreciated, I'm really stressing over the fact that I'll sound like crap with the wet blanket over the amp syndrome first time out.
SORRY -- I know that this post is way too long but I'm kind of freaking out here. I'm 56 and have been playing since I was 8 and I just don't think this set up is going to sound like a guitar amp.

 

 

Here goes _ post message

thanks in advance,
Mark Charles alias Hey_Joe

  • Jeraxle Just Startin'
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    Jan 30, 2010 3:40 AM (in response to Hey_Joe)
    Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

    Hey Joe! (A pun and a name, love it!)

     

    I've set up my X3L via headphones and then plugged it into my band's PA before.  The most important thing to remember is to make sure the channel you plug in to (or the Powered PA), the EQ is set to top dead center (All flat).  Every time I've done that, I've had very few problems making it sound good on a PA.

     

    hope this helps.

    • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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      Jan 30, 2010 8:14 AM (in response to Jeraxle)
      Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

      Thanks Jeraxle -

       

      My main problem is having no confidence that the JBL will sound good as a means of amplifying the X3L.

       

      I will have no control over the well intentioned guys in the sound booth adjusting the feed from my XLRs and no matter how devoted these guys are  - from week to week a guitar player will sound great or almost not there. All the other guitarists use amps and get miced, so usually they rely on somebody in the congregation to give them a sign that they can't be heard and crank their amp so people can hear them. We have a small church, 400 max per service so the amp can be heard if needed that way.


      So I have just been worried that the JBL will sound like crude (only 3 EQ positions on it -- Boost, Flat,and Cut) and that I should just get a Spider with only 16 amps to choose from and a few effects. I have been thinking this will at least sound like an amp and have the core tones with a few effects...although limited - easier and possibly more reliable and less fear of sounding bad. The very reason I bought into the Pods is frightening me now -- too much to choose from.

       

      I guess I want some Pod users that use a PA for power and monitoring to assure me that the Pod is superior and worth some trial and error at first and over all not noticably horrid by the congregation.
      Maybe it all comes down to Pride and after harping on the excellence of the XTL, X3L and Variax to the other players for a few years. I'm afraid to come off like a boob.

      Or maybe out of anxiety I just want things to be simple, like with the Spider or an old Flextone. Right now, 78 guitar amps, 24 guitar cabs, 98 stompbox and studio effects, 28 bass amps, 22 bass cabs and six vocal preamps seems ludicrous.

       

      How stiff necked can I be? Pride and Anxiety.

  • davidjdriver Just Startin'
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    Jan 30, 2010 6:09 AM (in response to Hey_Joe)
    Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

    Sounds like you are either over-thinking it or you are trying to go too complex all at once. How many patches are you planning to use? For the first time I wouldn't use more than two or three. You should be able to correct two or three tones in a few minutes. It doesn't have to be perfect. Just shoot for not bad the first few times.

    • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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      Jan 30, 2010 8:14 AM (in response to davidjdriver)
      Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

      davidjdriver wrote:

       

      Sounds like you are either over-thinking it or you are trying to go too complex all at once. Yeah -- I specialize in over-thinking.

      How many patches are you planning to use? Don't have my song lists yet but thought a bank per song if needed.

      For the first time I wouldn't use more than two or three. That will be hard to do, restrain myself -alhough this advice makes perfect sense. You should be able to correct two or three tones in a few minutes. Before this Group was started there was a P/W thread and one guy advised having 2 duplicate banks, one the way you think it should be and another for on the fly tweaking - thus not losing the original patches. It doesn't have to be perfect. I know it doesn't and the Lord will appreciate the effort more than perfect tones. Like I said in the in the firts reply to Jeraxle -- It's pride.  Just shoot for not bad the first few times.Thanks great advice davidjdriver

      • davidjdriver Just Startin'
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        Jan 30, 2010 9:05 AM (in response to Hey_Joe)
        Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

        I think that from a performance standpoint I wouldn't want to try to to tweak that many new tones all at once. If you do eight songs and want an entire bank for each..... That's 32 patches that would have to be set and tweaked. You might want to try a more traditional approach and just set up a clean, clean-ish, dirty-is, dirty bank the first few times you preform with the pod + JBL. The setup you are discussing  can work. I have use very similar myself. I used the x3 plus a powered Pa speaker for my archtop (sounding very direct to board) my acoustic, and my bass (a little small sounding but it was a small room so I didn't want to use my 4x10 or 15)  and it worked out well. There is no technical reason it will not work.

         

        You may also want to consider that the the other musicians and the vocalists might not want to hang out while you build you 32 patches for the eight song set. Everyone on my team is an adult and has a job (In my case a 45 hour a week day-job plus night time contracting) and a family. It would be disrespectful of me to come and spend half an hour of their time just messing with my pod.

         

        The best advice I can give is start simple. Just do three or four patches until you get you base tone worked out. Use that base tone until you are comfortable with it THEN branch out. Be efficient with your time and their time. I take about five minutes of stretching and scales  and my tones should be set and the mixer adjusted for me by the time that is over.

        • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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          Jan 30, 2010 9:52 AM (in response to davidjdriver)
          Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

          davidjdriver wrote:

           

          I think that from a performance standpoint I wouldn't want to try to to tweak that many new tones all at once. If you do eight songs and want an entire bank for each..... That's 32 patches that would have to be set and tweaked. Yeah, you are right, I really wouldn't do that , anyway too many songs from the artists we copy all sound very similar anyway so an AC30TB clean and crunch can go a long way.

           

          You might want to try a more traditional approach and just set up a clean, clean-ish, dirty-is, dirty bank the first few times you preform with the pod + JBL. That's what I'll probably do...sort of just create my own limited Spider like tone set up.

           

          The setup you are discussing  can work. I have use very similar myself. I used the x3 plus a powered Pa speaker for my archtop (sounding very direct to board) my acoustic, and my bass (a little small sounding but it was a small room so I didn't want to use my 4x10 or 15)  and it worked out well. There is no technical reason it will not work.This is good to hear.

           

          You may also want to consider that the the other musicians and the vocalists might not want to hang out while you build you 32 patches for the eight song set. Everyone on my team is an adult and has a job (In my case a 45 hour a week day-job plus night time contracting) and a family. It would be disrespectful of me to come and spend half an hour of their time just messing with my pod.

          I gave that same lecture to some of the younger guys when I was in charge for  times when the Music Pastor was out of town when I played a few years back before my injuries kept me from playing. I got yelled at myself for simply bending over to change a digital delay pedal that I had recorded the settings on the song chart, so I know about time waisting and the penalty.

           

          The best advice I can give is start simple. Just do three or four patches until you get you base tone worked out. Use that base tone until you are comfortable with it THEN branch out. Be efficient with your time and their time. I take about five minutes of stretching and scales  and my tones should be set and the mixer adjusted for me by the time that is over.Thanks for your time and great advice.

          Not that that many have weighed in on this topic but it doesn't seem like you guys are saying the Spider IV would be more care free with a dependable guitar amp sound with it's lesser parameters thus giving peace of mind. Seems like it's  -- stick with the Pod, keep it simple and learn as you grow and grow as you learn, just like everybody else on the planet.

  • ZemanG2 Just Startin'
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    Jan 30, 2010 3:22 PM (in response to Hey_Joe)
    Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

    Sorry this is a bit late but from what you wanted, is a POD superior?? I would say it is a point of view. I run directly into the PA and thats it, though there have been times I have messed with an amp, stack etc. The BIG thing you need to make sure you look into is how to run into an amp. In your outs on the X3L you can choose what you are running into powered amp, combo, stack, this changes your output properly so your amp doesn't sound like crap. I have finally settled on, if I am going to use an amp I will use the slave in and it sounds fine, after all it is more a monitor for me.

     

    As far as the spider goes, again preference. It really is easier but here is what I did. Got a cheap laptop and drag it to me to practice when I have new patches. I yell and get upset with people doodleing with their equipment but with gearbox I can change all my effects in seconds, and my worship team can live with that. We also have separate practice times for musicians and singers. But if you are willing to spend that on an amp you could grab a cheap laptop... in my perspective, and be able to fix your sound much quicker when you are only able to.

     

    I would also see if you guys could schedule a sound check/jam session, the SDA are usually very helpful

     

    One trouble I have had is consistency with setting tones in the pod via head phones, line out and xlr. So just to repeat everyone, set up a few patches, keep it sounding dry in the head phones and then when you go to practice, go in sandals, this allows you to control all the knobs on the X3L with the toes. As far as your sound guys go, beg pray, yell, that they give you one level, then you can control the rest from your board. After a while the learning curve drops,

     

    ANyways best of luck to you

    • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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      Jan 31, 2010 5:05 PM (in response to ZemanG2)
      Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

      ZemanG2 wrote:

       

      Sorry this is a bit late but from what you wanted, is a POD superior??  No worries, I just thank you for responding.  I would say it is a point of view. I run directly into the PA and thats it, though there have been times I have messed with an amp, stack etc. The BIG thing you need to make sure you look into is how to run into an amp. In your outs on the X3L you can choose what you are running into powered amp, combo, stack, this changes your output properly so your amp doesn't sound like crap. I have finally settled on, if I am going to use an amp I will use the slave in and it sounds fine, after all it is more a monitor for me.  I'm a little sketchy on your terminology here of "slave"...Been all throught the manual; Example Setups - Mono or Stereo Recording or Direct to Mixer/PA in Chapter 7 specifically and don't get your meaning.

       

      As far as the spider goes, again preference. It really is easier but here is what I did. Got a cheap laptop and drag it to me to practice when I have new patches. I yell and get upset with people doodleing with their equipment but with gearbox I can change all my effects in seconds, and my worship team can live with that. We also have separate practice times for musicians and singers. But if you are willing to spend that on an amp you could grab a cheap laptop... in my perspective, and be able to fix your sound much quicker when you are only able to. A laptop was high priority while awaiting word as to whether I could gain admitance to the church to do a sound check-setup. Used my wife's little HP and have test driven my XTL and X3L with Vista on Gearbox, WorkBench and Edit (for the XTL). All good.

       

      I would also see if you guys could schedule a sound check/jam session, the SDA are usually very helpful

      First the answer was YES and then when they thought about it some more they fealt it would be too disruptive for our English/Hispanic/Chinese congregations and all of the SDA people in their offices they siad NO. If we just owned the building stillI I could go in by myself and run a looper and have a great time moving around the sanctuary listening to cleans, crunches, hi-gains etc.tweaking to my hearts delight.

       

      One trouble I have had is consistency with setting tones in the pod via head phones, line out and xlr. So just to repeat everyone, set up a few patches, keep it sounding dry in the head phones and then when you go to practice, go in sandals, this allows you to control all the knobs on the X3L with the toes.  What do YOU mean by dry here? 12:00 on everything?    As far as your sound guys go, beg pray, yell, that they give you one level, then you can control the rest from your board. I will tdo that. One guy with a Valvetronic and the bass player are already running XLRs to the board and sound way better than the miced guitars I know that's where the Pod will shine because I'll be in control once I get my level from them.   After a while the learning curve drops, Yep - you're right...I just got the jitters - maybe the 15" in this JBL is throwing me off??? When I got my schedule after months of waiting to play, I freaked out.

       

      ANyways best of luck to you

      Thanks all - I really appreciate this group, small and inactive as it is...for years P/W discussions have met with discord here on the Line6 forum. I posted a job offer when our church was looking for a new P/W Leader on the Lounge - just a plain and simple job offer for a position at a church with salary, benefits and location and was told that it was "not appropriate to discuss religion on the Line6 forum" by one of the members.

      • wriimage Just Startin'
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        Feb 22, 2010 11:52 PM (in response to Hey_Joe)
        Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

        Hey, it's been a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how things have been going with your new setup.

         

        In 3 of our bands, the electric guitarists all use X3-lives direct to the board. One guy adds a compressor and a few other toys. I add a compressor and a BBE to my chain. The third guy - the best guitarist of the bunch - goes plain X3L. Honestly, 95% of the people in the auditorium would never be able to tell the difference between a fantastic setup and a merely functional one, anyway. None of use even lug in our amps anymore. Tone matters to me because I want to give my best to the Lord. But I also just like certain tones because I just like certain tones - for my own personal satisfaction, which is a lower priority.

         

        So if we're playing for God, and He's more interested in the sound of our heart than our amp, and we're serving the congregation, who can't tell anyway, I'm thinking you can probably aim for functional to start.

  • Data Just Startin'
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    Feb 23, 2010 11:15 AM (in response to Hey_Joe)
    Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

    I have a rig similar to Hey_Joe's and it works well for me when playing in church.  I use a Pod XTL through a DI box and straight to the mixing board.  I tap out of the DI box and go through a volume pedal to my JBL EON10 powered monitor.  This allows me to set my monitor's volume level while playing.  Also, because the volume pedal is not in the path to the mixing board, it does not create problems for the sound tech with varying levels from me.

     

    I adjust my tones at home while listening with studio monitor headphones (Audio Technica ATHM40fs).  I try to have the volume level at about the same level as one would listen to in church.  That way the bass, mid and treble levels will not need adjusting for Fletcher-Munson effects.

     

    The JBL has a very flat response so it should match what is heard in the headphones pretty closely.  Again, the volume level of the monitor needs to match the headphones in order that the Fletcher Munson effects don't alter the sound.

     

    Hope this makes sense!

    Data

    • Stratotron Just Startin'
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      Feb 23, 2010 11:41 AM (in response to Data)
      Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

      Jumpin in here, with maybe nothing new to add.

       

      As I had probably stated before, I run an X3L right mono XLR to the board and 1/4" right mono to a 50 watt Marshall amp with a solid back that is up on a stand and faces away from the congregation in front of me. I have all of the patches that I use panned straight up or hard right.   This may not be the post for this but...

       

      Last Sunday we were playing Today Is The Day by Paul Baloche and Lincoln Brewster, ( The Paul B version) lot's of opportunity to really put the X3 through it's paces. Anyway, during soundcheck one of the singers came over and asked if I could turn my stage level UP to help with the energy on the other side of the stage! I can count on one hand how many times THAT has happened in 40 years in front of an amp!

       

      So in other words, "Fear not the X3L, for the LORD is with you"  ( I am paraphrasing from the Methylbapterian Standard Paralell version)

       

      Blessing,

      Strato

      • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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        Feb 23, 2010 4:24 PM (in response to Stratotron)
        Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

        This is in response to the last 3 members who replied.

         

        I was going to play live for the first time in 5 years 2 weeks ago and was practicing like crazy and worrying about my set up because I hadn't played at church since before I got my first XTL 5 years ago. Then I got hit and hit hard with a flu bug that took me down and I had to miss the rehearsal and the Sunday services. So I am scheduled to play again this Sunday and far more confident in my set up than I was before after reading replies here and some PMs from a good forum friend Tim Owens who also is a P/W player with an X3L and a JBL EON.

         

        It's funny in a way, that I have been so ANXIOUS over my sound/tone instead of the real worry which is how my body will hold up during all this. I broke my back in 4 places 5 years ago and when that was discovered the docs found that I had severe degenerative disk disease in 7 disks due to a car wreck in '74 and a weird nerve disease like fibromyalgia  times 10. I am non op (given an 80% chance of surgical failure by 3 orthos) and in Chronic Pain 24/7 and unfortunately the only treatment is chronic opiate therapy. I guess the LORD has let me obsess on the little things instead of the big thing which is  -  can I glorify the Lord and disprove the chances of falling flat on my face due to my physical condition. None the less, I HAVE been called for this and I am saying "here I am Lord" and I figure if he wants it it will happen. I already delight in glorifying God by disproving my doctors continually by doing what they believe is impossible (various activities that shouldn't be able to be, like going to the gym 6 days a week and refusing higher levels of meds, more drastic measures and the such like - my pain management doctor told me he doesn't think I can pull playing in church off (and he's a believer). All this is meant to tell you people that I am boasting in the Lord and in my infirmities and in my weakness I am made strong. (sorry for saying "I" so much).

         

        I traded a bunch of stuff that I wasn't using, like a Timebender, a GT-10 and RP-350 and I did buy a Spider IV 75 just to have an alternate solution. Once I heard the amp and did some tweaking I found the X3L to sound better than the amp and got that much more confidence in the Pod - PA set up for the first time I serve.

        This past weekend I asked to borrow a mic so I could try out the new Vocoder in the X3L Update and the church sound man GAVE ME ONE and we got to talking and I told him about the X3L and setting it to control my 1/4" Out and that the XLR is going to be hotter than he is used to and he was excited to hear about amp and guitar modeling and wants me to meet him an hour before rehearsal time and we'll figure a level out that works - so that is a blessing compared to many of the Soundman vs. POD Guitar Player stories I have read all over the forums for years.

         

        I have been playing for hours everyday for the past 5 years, recording, and taking a refresher course from an instructor that I studied with 18 years ago.

        I'm not great but hands on and knowledge should be a good combo with faith against the lies and attacks from the deceiver.

         

        Data --

        I have some good Direct Sound EX-29 extreme isolation closed-back headphones Frequency response: 20 - 20.000Hz, Drivers: 40mm, Impedance: 32 ohms, Sensitivity: 114 db at 1000 Hz from Sweetwater  http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EX29 awhile back. I have been reading about the FM effects for years and really don't have time to try Crusty's FM Loudness button solution and things like that right now. Tim Owens recommended to just start at a -3 to -5db reduction in the EQ to start with and deal with all the FM stuff up in the future...I still worry about things like this, being a bedroom player the past 5 years has crushed my 40+ years of playing into a little worry particle and I have been losing sight of the real reason I'm doing this and have been trying to keep the main thing THE MAIN THING (another blessing from time spent wasted from the flu the past 2 weeks) the Heart of the Artist message started coming back to me to. I play at rehearsal this Thursday and still have a lot of preparing to do before then but am interested in hearing more of your Headphone/PA/FM solution.

         

        Thanks guys -

        I hope you understand where I'm coming from and realize my anxiety really comes from desiring to give the very best I can to the Lord. I have earned my living as a fine arts / graphic artist for the past 30 years and perfectionism seems to be in my DNA.

         

        thanks again,

        Mark  <><

        • Stratotron Just Startin'
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          Feb 24, 2010 8:19 AM (in response to Hey_Joe)
          Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

          Mark,

          I hope this isn't off topic but I didn't think it needed another thread. I am writing only because your situation sounds so much like mine, only a year later, that I wanted to write and encourage you.

           

          I too had not played electric in public for around 5 years. Most of my service was occasionally singing with the WT and acoustic guitar at small home groups and at a homeless outreach. Those things even started to kind of go by the wayside for unknown reasons. I assumed it was due to my age (58), and maybe it was time for me to step down and let the younger servents take over. My wife and I started attending a different church and I spent about a year sitting quietly on Sundays. Waiting and listening kept creeping in to the studies and messages. All the time, noticing that the worship group at this church didn't have an electric guitarist. There can be a lot of reasons for that. I believe that the 2 most potentially toxic things that you can unleash on a congregation can be drums, and electric guitar.

           

          I the meantime, this may sound funny, but my prayer was that ,all I wanted musically was to be able to play electric on Paul Baloche's Hosanna. If the Lord would allow that, just once, I could fade away and go to the old pickers home and live out the rest of my days. ( OH the PITY!)

           

          There was a call for musicians and I introduced myself to the worship leader and asked: 1) why they didn't have an electric guitarist and, 2) if it would be ok if I brought an electric rig to the out reach? The leader told me that they didn't currently have an electric player because they hadn't found the right fit, and of course I could bring an electric rig.

           

          At the time I had an XT so I did some programing for a couple of patches that I thought would be useful. I had set up patches for Hosanna, and guess what was the first song that I sat in with the group was?! Consequently, it was also the first song that I played with the group ( Sunday Morning) after haveing been asked to join! God answered that prayer, Halleluah!

           

          Over a year ago, I truly thought God was done with me musically (Abraham?), I had accepted and was OK with that. Since that time, HE has allowed me to serve with this group at a level that I would not have had the nerve to pray for!

           

          I am writing you this to encourage you, and to let you know that I will be praying for you and thanking the LORD in advance for the work in your life that you will be telling us about a year from now!!!!

           

          Keep me in the loop, Bro.

           

          Strato (Don)

           

          *Truth be know, the X3L does all of the heavy lifting. It is without a doubt the most powerful guitar tool that I have run in to*

          • Hey_Joe Iknowathingortwo
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            Mar 12, 2010 10:52 AM (in response to Stratotron)
            Re: Fear of X3L + Powered PA at gig volume

            Just a few words to "keep you in the loop".

             

            As I stated above I  hadn't played for 5 years due to 4 fractures in my back, degenerative  disk disease from another old injury and a nerve disease. I was so full  of anxiety and delight that I over did the moving and really hurt myself  but never felt a thing during rehearsal or the Sunday services. Praise  God - He was really glorified that day...noticed by me and many of the  church members who knew of my physical problems. That was the most  important things of all - so I really want to boast in what the Lord did  and how He moved those 2 days.

             

            I played my first rehearsal under  major duress, indeed. I showed up early as was instructed by one of the  sound guys when I told him about the XLRs being way hot on my X3L the  Sunday prior to my scheduled date and he was late. The church that  bought our church and  who we are renting from until we move had all of the gear on the stage  torn down unexpectedly and I had to wait for the guys to set everything  up from scratch...no sound check at all. I was lucky to get time to tune  up. The sound guy didn't want to take the time to get another XLR cable  to connect my X3L in stereo and I was given a set of ear buds with  mismatched  rubber sleeves and had never used an Avion before. I kept  trying to adjust the band mix as well as my mix and the level on my PA  during strokes of the strings. At first I was clipping on every patch  (not noticed at bedroom level). Man - was it tough. I made it through  rehearsal not really knowing what I sounded like  and did most of it without hearing myself. Sunday came and all went  well except sound. My wife and others said they couldn't hear me in the  house....come to find out 2 weeks later the XLR cable was bad. So I did  good enough first time out to be asked to sub before my next scheduled  week to play. So I'm serving with a multitude of drawbacks, hmmm funny  just like life. So, I'll keep trying to get it all dialed in...I asked  one of the guys who plays guitar what to do about not being heard and he  said to just live with it - "there nothing we can do about it".
            All  that worry about PA EQ and the such like and nobody but God could really  hear it.

             

            I did buy a Spider IV just for a backup but found at  bedroom level the PA now sounded better than an amp so I have a back up  and will use it when the feeling hits me, especially since Line6 gave us  28 more effects since I bought it.

             

            I could go on but this is  enough.
            Just going to try to keep the Main thing the Main thing.
            Thanks for prayers and asking Strato.

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