Mar 9, 2010 6:29 AM
Anyone using POD X3 Live direct to FOH & using in-ears?
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Just bought the X3L and am hoping to find a level of happiness with this live setup. Just migrated to in-ears monitors which I love. I have been using the Flextone III live for about 2 years now and am familiar and happy with the modeling thing but would like to lighten my load. I've been programming some patches on the X3L to use but obviously you never know until you hear it live. Just curious if anyone is doing this live and if you had any pointers to enhance the experience or to avoid any pitfalls. Any info would be greatly appriciated.
I use an XTL this way. Have been for a few years. My only tip would be to set your tone at home through sources you know and trust. I use headphones off of a mixer (not direct from the XTL) and practice with CDs through M-Audio monitors. When plaing live direct I leave the tone alone. I have Shure SP3s with custom ear molds and monitor through an Aviom system. I get more treble than I prefer and bass is weak. I tweak the Aviom to try to compensate but it can only help a little. In the early days I would tweak my XTL based on what I heard in the monitors. That was a bad idea. We record rehearsals so that's my main feed back other than guitar playing friends. Set the tones/patches and leave them alone.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah that was my next thought to run the X3 into the mixer and test with the in-ears which I have going through an eq before going to the ears. It's been so nice converting to in-ears and I am hoping to be able to get the X3 setup to the point where I can eliminate my amp from stage so as to bring the stage volume down even more but that's a huge step from me. Thanks again for the feedback.
I have been using the XTL for over a year with Shure E5's and no equipment onstage at all, no monitors.. nothing! I had set all my tones through my studio monitors first and then one night my new L6 Spidervalve head crapped out and I had the XTL as back up. I plugged it in and I had a few comments that it sounded better! Ever since I have been debating on going direct and never looking back and then finally I committed to it.
I run our PA while playing and between dealing with that and our lighting at every gig, the less trouble my rig is the better. So for me the XTL has been awesome and I'm about to take it to the next level with either the X3PRO or ELEVEN. Recently I had to do a show where I had to bring my Line6 Spidervalve and to be honest it was clear to me that night, there is no way a bunch of stage bleed sounds better than a great direct signal controlled and aimed by a good PA. That is why Arena Rigs sound so good...The stage bleed is nowhere near the volume of those touring PA's. So at a concert your hearing mostly the sound straight from the PA and that is why it sounds way better than a bunch of 4x12's blasting straight out into a small club. IMO club bands can sound like touring acts with some common sense and a team effort. But as we all know most bands struggle with the "team" part of it.
In my bands if you are not willing to do in-ears and do whats best for the band your not going to be in the band.
All of my bands (3 of them) are moving to direct everything! Drums, Guitars, Bass and vocal mics onstage and so far we all feel we have improved our sound,lighten our load and saved our ears. So I would say if your not moving this way then your not moving into the future.
We also have some key pieces of gear that help with this. 1. We use the Presonus StudioLive Board it gives me great control of the IEM mixes and it keeps everyone happy that has been key. For a few years we used a Beheringer Headphone amp $125.00 then we ran a stereo main mix feed into that and also the aux sends seperate to let people have the more me feature. I would recommend that idea if you want to get into IEM for cheap. $125+75 for the In-ears. You will need some reverb in the ears to make it seem more natural.
2. Good in-ears like the E4 or E5's make a big difference. You don't need the molds just use the Black Foam ear pieces and you will be fine.
The only other thing you need to know is that there are generally dead spots up close to the band because once people get even with your main PA speakers, they won't hear any of the bleed like they did before. What I do to counter it is to aim my PA main speakers in a bit so that the horns covers those spot better. Remember feedback is almost a non-issue cause it comes from the stage monitors most times and they will no longer be there,so moving the speakers inward won't likely cause feedback, but I 'd still be careful.
Let me know if you need more info, I would be happy to help you. Check out the videos here to see how much it helps the recordings we make. www.myspace.com/gotcrush
By the way, that's how good it sounds in our ears!! It's Awesome!!
Thanks!
I sing lead and play rhythm in a band and swear by playing direct into the board and wearing in-ear monitors. It has really saved my voice and I don't have to scream in front of a wedge monitor and try to compete with the kick drum. The best part for me is that I can dial in any mix I want. If we're on a tight stage (like most nights), I can eliminate everything from my mix except for my vocals and guitar. My mic will pick up enough stage volume to keep me in synch with everyone. If we play a big stage, I can add the lead guitar or whatever else I need in my mix.
At the end of the night, I don't have any heavy guitar cabinets to carry. That stuff tends to get heavier the later we play!
Chris
www.agentaudiolive.com
Hey there.
Been using an XT Live for a few years now with in-ear monitors as well. I really recommend getting the custom molds for the best experience - they cost extra - but once you've experienced the sound difference - you'll forget how much you paid for the things...:-)
Just an observation - setting up the XT Live at home can sound a lot different than live. Your speakers, amplifiers, EQ, etc., aren't the same and even the volume can give the tone a different feel.
I did a basic set-up at home - but did all my final tweaking while it was plugged into the big rig. This way I know what the rig is doing to the overall sound.
Good luck & have fun.
SparkyCanada
Thanks again for all the useful info. Custom ear molds are definitely on the list. Our drummer has been using them for sometime and agrees that there is definitely an improvement with custom molds. Still working on tweaking my patches with the X3 which has been a bit of a challenge just because of the time constraints of moving and remodeling but things should settle down in the coming weeks. Until then I forge ahead. Thanks again.
I'm a Vetta II user and am considering picking up an X3 live to bring out to Europe to tour with - rather than lugging my Vetta around the world, and worrying endlessly about its durability...
I also use wireless in ears, and this discussion got me thinking this might be a really good switch to make. Because I haven't gotten to play with the X3 live yet, I have to ask:
Is it stereo guitar output OR mono guitar + mono vocal, or can this box accomodate stereo guitar AND mono vocal output? (any combination of 1/4" and XLR would be fine with me).
One other question - Can I run seperate delay "units" on vocal and guitar?
thanks in advance!
-Will
Will:
You can run two separate channels at the same time no matter what combination you choose. Each channel can have it's own dedicated effects. You can run two guitar tones, a guitar and a mic, a bass and a guitar, or whatever... The answer to your question is yes. You can set one channel for your guitar with effects and one channel for you mic with a different delay or whatever. Both signals will be sent to the board or amps (wherever you have it directed).
Our bass player's rig crapped out so we ran his bass through my x3 live on one channel and my guitar on the other. Both channels are stereo.
I hope that helps.
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