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graaf33 Just Startin'
graaf33
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Jun 13, 2009 4:56 AM

pod  x3 and a fender hot rod deville amp?

hello everyone hope you can help me!

 

i have an pod x3 and an fender hot rod deville 2x12.

 

i love the sound of the pod with headphones, so i need the same sound with the fender amp.

 

some tips for tweaking? and what do do with the amp(bass, treble, middle)

 

what to do to get the same sound?

 

thanks

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
    Karl_Houseknecht
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    Jun 13, 2009 8:37 AM (in response to graaf33)
    Re: pod  x3 and a fender hot rod deville amp?

    graaf33 wrote:

    i love the sound of the pod with headphones, so i need the same sound with the fender amp.

     

    Just to set expectations, you're probably not going to get this to happen exactly like you want it.  The DeVille and it's cab are going to color the sound pretty severely.  No matter what you do, it isn't going to sound like your headphones.  It simply isn't full-range enough.  There's a high end roll off starting around 5K.

     

    That said, the DeVille is actually a decent amp to use with the X3.  There are several ways to do this.  One is to set the output mode to Combo Poweramp and connect the X3 output to the effects return of the DeVille, then tweak from there.  This lets you bypass the DeVille preamp.  The other way is to set the output mode to Combo Front, set the DeVille's tone stack on clean to zero bass, max mids, zero treble, zero presence.  Believe it or not, that's a flat EQ setting on a Fender.

     

    The problem you're going to have is that you will not be able to use the same patches for your headphones as you would with your amp.  They will be tweaked considerably differently.  So you're going to need two sets.

    • graaf33 Just Startin'
      graaf33
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      Jun 13, 2009 10:36 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
      Re: pod  x3 and a fender hot rod deville amp?

      thanks for fast answer!!!!

       

      im new so bear with me

       

      is it the bass, treble and middle in amp modeller i need to tweak or eq in pedal chain(x3)

       

      please give me some pointers where to start the tweaking..

       

      is it some tweaks that work for most amp if get the eq correct i can put the same eq for vox and marshall????

       

      not easy this thing!!!!!

       

       

      thanks for any reply

       

       

      harald

      • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
        Karl_Houseknecht
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        Jun 13, 2009 10:51 AM (in response to graaf33)
        Re: pod  x3 and a fender hot rod deville amp?

        The tone stack on the amp should be set to zero treble, max mid, zero bass, zero presence if you're running into the front input.  You don't need to change it.  You will do further tweaking from the POD.  If you're running into the effects return, you need not worry about the tone stack on the amp.

         

        There's really no rules here.  If it sounds good, it is good.  Let your ears be the guide when twisting the knobs on the POD.

  • Brion_Kean Just Startin'
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    Mar 14, 2010 9:10 PM (in response to graaf33)
    Re: pod  x3 and a fender hot rod deville amp?

    Not sure about emulating the sound of headphones, but I do have an idea for you that might work. It does require an outboard compressor pedal to really work well, but does fine without it.

     

    Try this:

     

    1. plug 1st cable into your guitar into your hot rod front input

    2. plug 2nd cable from hot rod FX-send (out)* to POD guitar in

    3. plug 3rd cable from POD 1/4" out to hot rod FX-return (in)*

    4. plug 4th cable from POD FX-send(out) to outboard compressor input

    5. plug 5th cable from POD FX-return(in) to outboard compressor output (I use a Keeley 4-knob comp for this)

     

    * note: I think on the hot rod these fx loop in/out jacks are labeled "preamp out" and "poweramp in"

     

    Ok, so programming, here's the intent I go for:

     

    - stomp set up as an classic distortion or tube screamer

    - "comp" switch pedal set to turn amp model on/off

    - amp model set to the mesa book model, I think it's "cali crunch"

    > on the amp model, turn the cabinet to "no cabinet", which also turns off the mic

     

    then, on the POD, turn on the FX loop and turn on the outboard compressor.

    On the outboard comp: Set the compression amount less than 12 o'clock, and set the master volume out to between 1/2, 2/3 or 3/4 up.

    On the POD, set the FX-loop mix to 100%, and set the return to about +12db boost

     

    Mind, you, this is all "tone 1" only. No amp modelling, no mic modelling. If you want to also send XLR, you could then do something like, attach the

    other 1/4" out from the POD to the AUX input on the POD, set tone 2 as AUX in, mute tone 1 to the XLRs and mute tone 2 to the 1/4" outs. Set tone 2 with noise gate, compression (no FX-loop, can only be used mono on one tone or the other), and then also use a clean amp model with cab and mic emulation. Give it some room in the amp setting. Maybe use the new "dimension" mod for a nice subtle chorus like stereo effect, and a small amout of a big reverb (less than 10%) of something like 'cavernous'.

     

    The main thing I REALLY like about this rig, is the outboard (keeley) compressor in the POD's effect loop. It makes the wah models sound good. All of them. No more noisy weird volume boost. Play with the master volume on the outboard comp, play with the amp vs. line level send on the POD, and get those right, and the outboard comp acts as a nice analog smoother, limiter, which holds back the weird wah volume peaks, plus, since the POD is in the FX loop of the amp, the noise gate kills any extra amp noise. Even kills a 60 cycle hum I get from the clean channel of my crappy solid-state Marshall. I can't imagine how good it sounds on a nice tube amp!

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