Mar 15, 2010 9:50 AM
POD + Tube Preamp + SS Amp = Good Setup??
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I have a XT Pro and a XL Live that I'm thinking of running into a tube preamp that will feed a SS Amp driving four 12" speakers two left and two right. I'm sure that some have tried setups like this. It sounds like a great setup and what the pods were meant to do. But in real life is it the case. I don't know why there is not more rack mount amps made just for guitar modeling. All of your gear in a rack with a cab would be a great setup. Bass players have had more rack mount support and used this type of setup for a long time. What do you think?
Jim
i don't know how much the tube preamp is going to add to the quality of the sound--at that point (after the POD processing) the dynamics are pretty much set in stone so maybe it will act as a filter to change some of the tonal characteristics (might be good change, might be bad change.) because the POD is a preamp itself you probably won't be adding significant gain to the signal. if you really want tubes in the chain consider putting the money into a tube power amp.
Skip the tube preamp. I doubt it's going to buy you anything.
You'd be better off with a tube power amp and skip the the tube preamp. I used to run my X3L stereo into a Carvin TS100 tube power amp and 2 4X12 cabs. I got great results, but it was too much to lug around.
The TS100 was on my list as well. I was just thinking that I could warm up the tone and take the digi edge off a little before a 1500 watt Crown or QST power amp. I just don't want to have the amp distort or color the sound coming from the XT. That is what the XT is there for.
I know what your saying, a tube power amp will color your tone more than a solid state. However, it colors it in a good way and it's still subtlte in the way it colors it. You'll hear a difference with as tube pre, there has many people on here in the past using one of some sort, you just going to more warmth from a tube power amp. If you go with the tube pre, I'd try placing before the POD. Yo may get better dynamics from the tube running straight from the guitar with to it. The TS100 came with EL34's in it, I put 6L6's in it. The 6L6's were much better.
Place the tube preamp into the POD's effects loop. Have an analog compressor? Put that in the POD FX loop too! Can do wonders for the sound.
The fx loop can be set to mix %, and return level boost, and send level cut. Compressor helps with the weird level changes that can happen. Place the amp, gate, wah, certain mods (phaser, flanger, etc), stomps, before the fx loop (pre) and set the delay, reverb, and some mods (chorus, dimension, etc - lighter non level spiking effects) after the fx-loop (post).
I was thinking of getting the ART TPS II tube preamp that would be 2 ch or stereo or the ART Tube PAC with two tubes one for preamp an the other for compression. I'm not sure on the mono or stereo. With the 2ch TPS I can go 1 ch into the pod or 2ch on the FX loop or run the line outs of the pod into the TPS. But if going into the pod with 1ch I can use the Tube pac and get the compressor. I'm pulling my hair out. Oh and thanks, keep the ideas coming
I have an ART Project Series tube preamp that I occasionally use with my PODxt. My method of use is to place it before the POD. Signal chain looks like this: Guitar - - - > ART - - - > PODxt - - - > T21 Power Engine. Mainly, I was looking to add some warmth and overall "roundness" to my POD tone, and in this capacity the set-up seemed to work pretty well. I'll also add that the T21 Power Engine is a 60W solid-state powered extension cabinet, meaning that I'm not sure how the pre-amp thing will play out with a larger, rack-mounted power amp or running out to a board. I have, however, recorded direct using this set-up and I though it sounded good. As noted in pbear5's post, the PODxt is already modeling all of the primary dynamics of the amp, i.e. the pre-amp / power sections, the speaker, and the cabinet. Along with that, its also modeling the room (A.I.R.) and microphone. As one might expect, these things will all require a bit of tweaking to sound their best in conjunction with whatever you decide to run in front of the POD. The amp models that really seemed to benefit most from my own set-up were the clean models - esp. the Fender stuff. I also liked the sound of single-coils better than HB's with the pre-amp engaged. They seemed to sound fuller and more articulate. As for tones, I was able to get a nice, slightly driven break-up by pulling the drive down on the POD and pushing the signal a bit with the tube pre-amp's gain. Using this approach, I dialed in some pretty cool Stones & Black Crowes stuff. I wasn't as fond of the high gain models with the pre-amp in the signal chain - though admittedly, I'm not a high-gain player. Everyone's ears hear different things, so results, of course, may vary. With a bit of experimentation and logical application, a tube pre-amp might be just the ticket to add some warm, "tube-ish" subtleties to your tone.
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