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  • stone2018 Just Startin' 1 posts since
    Feb 17, 2010
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    120. Feb 17, 2010 10:17 AM (in response to pepperbeluga)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Hi,

    I got the M13 about 6 months ago. Worked just fine untill about a month ago when it started having the power problem exactly as described in this thread (shutting down/starting up at random). I was in the middle of a live radio session when it first happened, which was quite awkward. I already bought a new power supply, thinking that that could be the problem, but it keeps doing it, very frequently. I bought it second hand from a guy that had only used it once (he had won it in a contest), which makes going to a store to have it fixed under warranty a bit difficult. Any suggestions for someone living in Belgium experiencing this problem?

    thanks in advance!

  • Line6RichRenken Product Dev 1,891 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008
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    121. Feb 25, 2010 4:50 AM (in response to stone2018)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    stone2018 wrote:

     

    Hi,

    I got the M13 about 6 months ago. Worked just fine untill about a month ago when it started having the power problem exactly as described in this thread (shutting down/starting up at random). I was in the middle of a live radio session when it first happened, which was quite awkward. I already bought a new power supply, thinking that that could be the problem, but it keeps doing it, very frequently. I bought it second hand from a guy that had only used it once (he had won it in a contest), which makes going to a store to have it fixed under warranty a bit difficult. Any suggestions for someone living in Belgium experiencing this problem?

    thanks in advance!

     

    Just subscribe to this thread and keep checking back. It will probably stop doing it soon and never do it again. We will be doing that meeting of the minds meeting in March when I get back from overseas. Hang in there.

  • cis689 Just Startin' 12 posts since
    Mar 24, 2006
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    122. Mar 8, 2010 12:53 PM (in response to pepperbeluga)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    I have had the unit for about 5 months. Never gigged. The unit power cycles itself almost everytime I play. Will GC warranty this??

     

    (This is not good after I have had a Toneport UX2 die on me too - c'mon Line6)

  • Line6RichRenken Product Dev 1,891 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008
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    123. Mar 17, 2010 9:21 AM (in response to cis689)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Is it still doing it? If you read through this thread, you will know why I ask.

  • Line6RichRenken Product Dev 1,891 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008
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    124. Mar 17, 2010 9:23 AM (in response to pepperbeluga)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Hey Guys,

     

    Quick update. We are working on getting a unit back here from our neighbor to the north. As soon as it is here we are going to call the meeting of the minds. I have to go to the Musikmesse trade show next week so this will all likely happen in April finally. Thank you to all you guys waiting patiently, I do appreciate it.

     

    Peace,

     

    Rich

  • jpdennis Just Startin' 86 posts since
    Jan 16, 2010
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    125. Mar 31, 2010 3:26 PM (in response to Line6RichRenken)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Has anyone heard back from Farrellk since he applied my "logic" to touch the system settings?  If not maybe we should find out if he is still having reboot problems.

     

    Dennis

  • farrellk Just Startin' 8 posts since
    Mar 25, 2007
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    126. Apr 1, 2010 6:41 AM (in response to jpdennis)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    To jpdennis:

    Yes - please see my post from Jan 31, 2010.  In it, I give the state of the unit after 'touching' the parameters, and was going to report back if problems surfaced again.  Since that time, I've had zero re-boots or problems.  Thanks again for the suggestion, which seems to have had a huge influence on the issue my unit was having.

  • litesnsirens Just Startin' 386 posts since
    Mar 20, 2010
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    127. Apr 1, 2010 1:11 PM (in response to farrellk)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    farrellk, did you ever go back to using the alternate power supply?  I am curious because I am using the provided power supply to power my M13 through a pedal snake.  If I power straight to the M13 no problem ... If I power through the pedal snake my display for unit 2 goes all wonky.  Unit 1, 3 and 4 seem unaffected but unit 2 goes crazy ... it corrects itself occasionally but inevitably goes back to the wonky display.   Aside from the display the unit works flawlessly, scenes change quickly and sound perfect and the individual effects in that bank work prefectly.  So I have to wonder if the power problems are related to the supply?  Any other pedal I supply power to through pedal snake have never had any issues, that said none of them have ever had those sort of digital displays.  Just to be clear I bought the 2 power adapters for the pedal snake taking it from the 2.1 to the 2.5 that Line 6 uses.

  • farrellk Just Startin' 8 posts since
    Mar 25, 2007
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    128. Apr 1, 2010 1:59 PM (in response to litesnsirens)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    litesnsirens: Please understand that I am not recommending this, but the answer to your question is 'Yes.'

     

    During the period where I had issues after updating my M13's firmware, I had removed the unit from my pedalboard and was using the original M13 power supply to diagnose/troubleshoot.  After the problems disappeared (after jpdennis' suggestion to 'touch' the parameters), I installed the M13 back on my pedalboard.  Of course, I was concerned that the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power AC might wreak further havoc, but I was committed to at least giving it a shot.

     

    Even though the Pedal Power AC is operating at the upper range of its current sourcing capacity with the M13, I've not had a problem (heat/overload of the Voodoo Labs unit, or M13 display/performance issues).  Somebody else's mileage may vary with this approach, and I believe the official word is that it's not recommended.

     

    Your situation sounds different - perhaps something like a a voltage drop across your pedal snake cable, or maybe induced noise on its power lead.

  • litesnsirens Just Startin' 386 posts since
    Mar 20, 2010
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    129. Apr 2, 2010 10:43 AM (in response to farrellk)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Thanks farrellk, I had been looking at Voodoo Labs as a power source but didn't think I saw one with the right specs.  I will investigate further.  I think whatever the issue is with my power it must be minor in nature since it is only affecting the display.

     

    That being said, I'm not at home right now so I can't look on the M13 itself, nor have I been able to find it documented anywhere.  Does anyone know how much current the M13 draws?.  I'm pretty sure the adaptor can deliver 2000 mA, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the M13 requires that much, as farrelk says he is able to power his with his pedal power AC which at the most can deliver 1200mA.

     

    I apologize for steering this thread in a bit of a different direction, but the common goal is to have our M13's powered appropriately and working as expected, so I figure all info and findings are important.

  • TimBridges Just Startin' 9 posts since
    Nov 17, 2008
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    130. Apr 4, 2010 7:51 AM (in response to Line6RichRenken)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Hi there,

    I'm in the UK, so using 240v 50Hz power supply (original as supplied with M13)

    Have had the unit for well over a year, running version 2.0 s/ware.

    No problems at all until last night, when the power cycling started.

    Kept doing it for 15-20 minutes, I tried different wall outlets, with and without guitar plugged in, in and out of effects loop, no (positive) effect.

     

    Turned it off, found this thread and thought I would post my issues in the morning.

     

    Powered M13 up this morning, it has been on for several hours, no glitches.

     

    Would you believe it, as I am finishing this post it has started cycling again!!!!

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

     

    This is the worst type of fault, NOT CONSISTENT!

     

    Guys, I cannot gig with this type of problem, please resolve it soonest

     

     

    Thanks in advance

     

    Tim

  • Line6RichRenken Product Dev 1,891 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008
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    131. Apr 8, 2010 12:14 AM (in response to TimBridges)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    TimBridges wrote:

     

    Hi there,

    I'm in the UK, so using 240v 50Hz power supply (original as supplied with M13)

    Have had the unit for well over a year, running version 2.0 s/ware.

    No problems at all until last night, when the power cycling started.

    Kept doing it for 15-20 minutes, I tried different wall outlets, with and without guitar plugged in, in and out of effects loop, no (positive) effect.

     

    Turned it off, found this thread and thought I would post my issues in the morning.

     

    Powered M13 up this morning, it has been on for several hours, no glitches.

     

    Would you believe it, as I am finishing this post it has started cycling again!!!!

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

     

    This is the worst type of fault, NOT CONSISTENT!

     

    Guys, I cannot gig with this type of problem, please resolve it soonest

     

     

    Thanks in advance

     

    Tim

    Thank you for posting Tim. We appreciate it. Has the unit done this again since the 4th?

  • aaalp Just Startin' 6 posts since
    Aug 8, 2007
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    132. Apr 8, 2010 3:16 AM (in response to aaalp)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Hi all,

     

    I posted about my experience on this problem earlier. After that my M13 was working fine maybe for a month. Then it started to do power cycling thing again and, i totaly lost my love with this unit. I didn't touched it for almost three months, only plugged my guitar to it a few times to use tuner.. yes, i used this big -replace all- unit just as a tuner for months. Then one day I tought about using the looper function while i was practicing. Plugged M13 to my guitar and amp again. It was fine, didn't turned itself on/off, sounded good (always did)...  So when i finished practicing, i left all setup as it is plugged to each other. Since then it didn't do on/off cycling for three months i guess.. i was even convinced that i could use it live instead of using it as a tuner or for home practice. Altough the only difference in application was my expression pedal was not plugged to the unit so i started to think maybe this has to do something with the problem... anyway, to make it short.. it did it again, and it does it frequently as before... it did that when expression pedal is plugged or not plugged.. it did that while using looper, it did that while tweaking parameters, it did that while using this or that effect / effect combinations, it did that when every effect was bypassed... it did that in any possible situation I can imagine.

     

    By the way, I am still using the firmware 1.04 as it came from the factory... didn't updated anything, didn't do any factory reset etc... I only used it with it's own power supply. I belive it has nothing to do with the power supply / electricity. My cell phone started doing a very very similar turn itself off/on thing and it started to that after a firmware update which offers new functions. I totally belive this is a software problem.. or maybe some of ours units have bad hardware that can't cope with the software...

  • Willstg Just Startin' 1 posts since
    Apr 27, 2007
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    133. May 1, 2010 9:17 AM (in response to aaalp)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

       Having purchased a used M13 from Banjo Mart, I have been following this thread with some interest. It got me thinking, as an audio engineer I have experienced odd crashes on large format digital mixing consoles (Calrec Sigma) which were related to problems with the flash ram memory.  I was wondering if this might be a similar software problem.

      What would happen with the Sigmas is the flash ram memory would somehow get a minor corruption in code.  Then everytime one did a memory save with new parameters, the errors/corruption of the constant flash memory would get worse and worse.  Eventually you'd have major errors in the board.  (And often the Calrec Reps, unlike you guys at Line 6, would blame the end user for creating problems rather than taking responsibility for the faults of their own product.  Of course, the money people in a corporation aren't techs so they don't know who is CYA in these situations; the Reps would throw a tech under the bus in a heartbeat for a $250,000 sale. Ack.)

       Anyway, just thinking flash memory could be the culprit. And if so, perhap introducing a periodic "Flash Ram Cleansing routine" could help with product stability, maybe when one does a scene memory save.

  • InfectiousFunk Just Startin' 13 posts since
    May 1, 2010
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    134. May 1, 2010 10:40 AM (in response to pepperbeluga)
    Re: M13 Power Problem

    Mine has done it as well so there MUST be an issue goin' on. It has done it to me twice since owning the unit since mid Jan/2010. 

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