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Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM

JTV soundclip requests

When you're putting together clips of the JTV for the web site, I have some requests:

 

-Please provide plenty of examples of just the guitar models without accompaniment. You can provide tracks with other instruments, but I'm concerned with how the models themselves sound, not how they sound in songs I don't care about. If you want to show how they fit in the mix that's fine, but each model should have its own clip where the tone is not covered up by other instruments.

 

-Please don't slather the model demos in effects and distortion. Again, I want to hear the models, not the amp or effects. An acoustic guitar awash in reverb and delay only reduces the ability to discern how the model itself sounds, and makes it appear like someone wants to cover up the original sound with effects. And if you're going to do clip with a pod set to 'insane distortion mud patch #3', please have either a good part of the clip clean or provide another clip of it just clean.

 

When I make my decision on buying, I'm going to be purchasing it over the internet. That means either I'm going to need to decide based on the clips you provide or some bad youtube video made by a guy with a cheap camera pointing at his guitar instead of his amp. Please provide enough good examples so I don't have to rely on that guy.

  • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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    Jul 2, 2010 6:35 PM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    usernametaken wrote:

     

    When you're putting together clips of the JTV for the web site, I have some requests:

     

    -Please provide plenty of examples of just the guitar models without accompaniment. You can provide tracks with other instruments, but I'm concerned with how the models themselves sound, not how they sound in songs I don't care about. If you want to show how they fit in the mix that's fine, but each model should have its own clip where the tone is not covered up by other instruments.

     

    -Please don't slather the model demos in effects and distortion. Again, I want to hear the models, not the amp or effects. An acoustic guitar awash in reverb and delay only reduces the ability to discern how the model itself sounds, and makes it appear like someone wants to cover up the original sound with effects. And if you're going to do clip with a pod set to 'insane distortion mud patch #3', please have either a good part of the clip clean or provide another clip of it just clean.

     

    When I make my decision on buying, I'm going to be purchasing it over the internet. That means either I'm going to need to decide based on the clips you provide or some bad youtube video made by a guy with a cheap camera pointing at his guitar instead of his amp. Please provide enough good examples so I don't have to rely on that guy.

    Whatever Line 6/Rich Renken videos you might get - I can promise you that I will be doing a series of my own once I get the model 59 I'm waiting for. I plan to do side by side comparisons with my current model 700 electric using the same patches and just A/B them so everyone can hear the improvements (including myself) that the new DSP has given the L6 programmers the power to resample all of the original 25 guitars.

     

    I will also be doing other demo type videos showing what I've done using the Workbench software to modify or even create new guitars that physically do not exist as I've done already with Workbench and my 700's.

     

    If you want an idea of how my demo videos sound, please check out the following link on YouTube...

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLc1FToEkwk

     

    This is me explaining in detail both the parts of the song as well as how the Variax Electric model 700 works performing the beginning section of this song by HEART called "Love Alive" off the 1977 "Little Queen" studio album.  I'm specifically demoing the unaltered Variax modelled 6 & 12-string acoustic guitars directly into my recording console.

     

    The video also explains itself.  Over the past year, I've read many things about what people think about the Variax acoustic modeled sounds.  I happen to think that those models I've chosen to use sound amazingly accurate to the body styles they are emulating.  The audio is crystal clear taken direct off my camera sitting in front of one of my studio monitors.  This was my first attempt at doing an instructional/demo video of this kind.  I've gotten better at my presentations since then, but I know I can continue to improve to make my presentations more smooth like I do in master classes I run.  Something about sitting infront of a video camera makes me freeze up a bit.

     

    You asked for sounds without distortion and this one could not be more accurate to how the guitar itself sounds without any help from amps, microphones, etc.  It's simply direct into my console with the EQ disengaged and all the sounds you hear are only the sound being produced by the Variax 700.  I had only done a smal bit of tweaking within the Workbench program to get the sounds you will hear in the video.

     

    Please (anyone) let me know if you've found this type of video helpful in it's overall presentation and any critiques that are not nasty are very welcomed to help me continue to improve my presentation techniques.

     

    Thanks,

    Neal

  • dognmoon Just Startin' 35 posts since
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    Aug 4, 2010 7:44 PM (in response to usernametaken)
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    I totally understand what you mean by this, and I understand the need for something that feels more empirical since you're buying based on these online samples. But I would also point out that it's important to show how the models would be used in their normal habitat.

     

    What I mean by that is that I've sat and watched a guy run through patches on a Vetta and play "Enter Sandman" with every single patch. After he's finished, he goes, "they all kinda sound similar to me". Well, yes. Yes they do. Since you played the exact same guitar and the exact same riff in the exact same place on the neck. The different models will sound slightly different but you also have to "lead the witness" a little bit, so to speak by playing a tune that will bring out the most Marshally sounds in a Marshall and play a sample that will bring out the moset Fendery tones in a Fender. When I play strat tones, I wanna hear something that would be appropriate to be played on a strat. Same with a tele, or an acoustic or a Rickenbacker, etc. etc. When it comes to Les Paul, that's the sound of rock and I wanna hear it through some gain. I know you want them unmarred by gobs of effects, but I think a sterile cleanly strummed G chord through a clean amplifier would do just as little good for those who are trying to see what these babies can do.

     

    Here's a quick home demo I did of a 69


    James Tyler Variax JTV-69
    http://gallery.me.com/coreywitt/100109

      • iasomie_ro Just Startin' 21 posts since
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        Aug 5, 2010 3:00 PM (in response to usernametaken)
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        "The sound quality and mix puts most manufacturer videos and soundclips to shame. Everything sounds great and sits right in the mix - you can hear it in context but still the evaluate the models on their own. There's no overuse of effects just to show how extreme they can get - it's an effective, practical demonstration of a tool."

         

        Same words apply to the following guitarist and his Pod X3:

         

        http://www.youtube.com/user/MartinMoyan0#p/u/28/4gXww6KywB8

        • RogerZ Just Startin' 34 posts since
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          Aug 7, 2010 11:04 AM (in response to iasomie_ro)
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          These are pretty good soundclips.

           

          http://www.gearwire.com/line6-jamestylervariax-walkthrough2.html

           

          and

           

          http://www.gearwire.com/line6-jamestylervariax-walkthrough1.html

           

          Don't like the amp-sound, but I guess that is a personal feel.

          • pappywatts Just Startin' 78 posts since
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            Aug 10, 2010 1:20 AM (in response to RogerZ)
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            Regarding soundclips this bloke used to demo for Orange

             

            http://www.youtube.com/user/RobChappers?feature=chclk#p/u/4/7xZOZE51g9A

             

            He's demoing the jtv59, straight into the amp,old style everything up for filth, and down for cleans, there are 5 clips explaining usage, the development, and  I

            think he's playing the USA Tyler version. Looks really well built, the quality is outstanding.

            My only criticism is why do these guitarists insist on playing shred, like doh ray me at lightspeed,  and " Dead or Alive" for the acoustic clip

            Don't they know any James Taylor?

            • boleary2 Just Startin' 16 posts since
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              Aug 10, 2010 9:19 AM (in response to pappywatts)
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              actually I emailed him and he is using the Korean version....and he states in the videos

              that it is the best guitar he has ever played from the anderton's store

               

              the video also states that it has ceramic pickups in it, but from everything I have read

              it will have a james tyler spec'd pickup (which will sound good no matter what)

              but I am thinking will probably be alnico magnet..hopefully!

              • pappywatts Just Startin' 78 posts since
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                Aug 13, 2010 2:33 PM (in response to boleary2)
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                Korean eh! Goodie Goodie, Looks like the quality control will be all it's supposed to be...

                 

                Regarding demo's past and present, they always sound skinny on the u tube, such is the nature of quick simple samples.

                 

                I have a Taylor T5 customised to a T6 with an additional piezo in the bridge, to get that unplugged tone back into the mix,very versatile, more than the original.

                 

                I know what the 700 sounds like acoustically, live and in the recording studio,I've had no complaints from band members, or engineers

                and lots of compliments from punters.

                I still maintain that proper eq, and separate amps for electric and acoustic to shape the stage tone, and DI out to PA system works best.

                Totally agree with neal's comments, you have to expect the sounds will be almost authentic, in a band situation, the subtler tones get buried.

                 

                If there is a vast improvement with the new model,mainly in the acoustic sounds

                all for the better, less guitars to lug about.

                 

                Only seven weeks to go......

              • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                Aug 10, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to usernametaken)
                Re: JTV soundclip requests

                usernametaken wrote:

                 

                Why do people play acoustic sounds on electric amps for demos? If I was judging the variax acoustic tones based on the acoustic demos they were playing, I'd think they were crap.

                 

                The rest of the sounds - not so good. Maybe poor amp choice or poor recording technique. Nothing at all in the actual sounds impressed me. Everything sounded small, thin, and fizzy.

                Please check out this demo of acoustic sounds NOT played through an amp, but plugged directly into my recording console and out through the control room speakers.  I think the sounds I chose to use truly sound very authentic and I've played the audio only portion of this clip and no one can tell I did it with my electric variax.  I seriousl;y think that many people are judging the acoustic sounds based on what they see rather than what they are actually hearing.  It makes sense why this happens, yet sadly true anyway.

                 

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLc1FToEkwk

                • edstar1960 Iknowathingortwo 616 posts since
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                  Aug 11, 2010 4:26 AM (in response to MerlinFL)
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                  Hi Neal,

                  I watched your video demoing the Variax 700 acoustic model and wow it sounds fantastic - so I can't imagine how much better the James Tyler Variax acoustic models will sound!

                  I have a Variax 700 and I have never been able to get the acoustic models to sound anywhere near as good as yours. You can really hear the wood and body sounds in your clip. I know you did not use any effects, but did you EQ the sound at all?  And if so, what settings did you use?  I have tried my Variax 700 acoustic models through my home recording setup and could never get the realistic wood/body sounds you demonstrated - the string sounds seem to overpower the body/wood sounds with my Variax - so could it be a fault with my guitar or do I need to EQ the sounds rather than using with FLAT EQ through my mixing desk and Alesis RA-100 amp?

                  Anyway - really appreciate you taking the time out to share those sounds with us all.  Thank you.

                  • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                    Aug 11, 2010 1:32 PM (in response to edstar1960)
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                    edstar1960 wrote:

                     

                    Hi Neal,

                    I watched your video demoing the Variax 700 acoustic model and wow it sounds fantastic - so I can't imagine how much better the James Tyler Variax acoustic models will sound!

                    I have a Variax 700 and I have never been able to get the acoustic models to sound anywhere near as good as yours. You can really hear the wood and body sounds in your clip. I know you did not use any effects, but did you EQ the sound at all?  And if so, what settings did you use?  I have tried my Variax 700 acoustic models through my home recording setup and could never get the realistic wood/body sounds you demonstrated - the string sounds seem to overpower the body/wood sounds with my Variax - so could it be a fault with my guitar or do I need to EQ the sounds rather than using with FLAT EQ through my mixing desk and Alesis RA-100 amp?

                    Anyway - really appreciate you taking the time out to share those sounds with us all.  Thank you.

                    Hi - I'm glad you found my video helpful in hearing what the current model Vax can sound like without much fuss.

                     

                    Specifically answering your questions...

                     

                    I had the board's EQ section turned off and as I said in the video - I only did two things to record the multiple acoustic guitar tracks for Heart's song "Love Alive".  I plugged my electric 700 into the A/B/power supply DI box, then directly into the board, no EQ or any other processing used.  Then the various tracks I recorded were mixed together very quickly for the purposes of the demonstration.  All I did use was the tone knob which is the Microphone position control when in an acoustic model patch.  I simply adjusted that until I got the tone and response I was looking for, and then hit the record button for each separate track.  I did not double any single part, just one track each of the three acoustic guitar parts, plus bass, keyboard flute, etc. that is in the original recording of that song.

                     

                    You have the same guitar model as I do, so it should be at 99% likely that you can get the same tone/sound I was able to achieve as I did nothing outside of the guitars own capabilities.  What might be some factors in your inability to get the results you want or like you heard with mine are...

                     

                    1) The string gauges and brand.  I use GHS Boomer .10 (light gauge) in the red pack.

                     

                    2) I do not use the tremolo and set up both of my 700's with the bridge/tailpiece literally resting on the body of the guitar.  I've found that when I did this, I was able to hear a significant change in all the patches, but especially in the acoustic ones.  Perhaps it might be that with my bridge resting on the guitar body perhaps the piezos are getting more sound from the body than when it's raised up like it normally would be to use the tremolo.

                     

                    3) Playing style...On a real acoustic guitar I use thicker picks in order to create whatever dynamics I wish while playing.  But this is obviously not an acoustic guitar so like a keyboard player must learn how each instrument is actually played in the real world, so too must players make performance adjustments for all non-electric guitar models.  The electric guitar has much less string tension, so it is very easy to over play the modeled sounds of those non-electric style instruments.

                     

                    My own personal theory about the Variax guitar and performing with them...

                     

                    I use fairly thin picks when playing acoustically on the Vax.  If I have to play single notes or a lead part, I will "choke up" on a thin pick to get it to respond like a thicker pick, but if I’m just strumming, I'll back way off from the center I normally hold the pick and play extremely light no matter what the tempo of the song is to keep from over playing or hitting the string too hard which seems to cause the piezos to respond poorly or incorrectly for any of the non-electric guitars it is modeling and I'm trying to perform convincingly with.

                     

                    I'm far from the best player and I have only small bits of "science" knowledge related to this topic and their reasons.  I've written all this out because you asked and these are the things I do when playing my Vax.  So in more overly simple terms - if you play with .009's or lighter, bang on the guitar or play very heavy handed, anyone will probably not get the best results from all modeled guitar patches in general, but especially in guitars not meant to be played like an electric guitar. 

                     

                    If I were a teacher in charge of a class on how to get the best results in performing with a Variax guitar, I would start off by having everyone put slightly thicker strings on, play with a variety of picks and learn to play with the lightest touch possible no matter what the style of music.  See how that may help the guitar and all it's electronic components respond to produce the sounds that were captured & modeled from each real guitar that is within the banks of the Variax.

                     

                    I hope some of this helps you and anyone else who happens to read it get better results from their Variax guitars.

                     

                    Take care,

                    Neal

                    • edstar1960 Iknowathingortwo 616 posts since
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                      Aug 12, 2010 1:15 AM (in response to MerlinFL)
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                      Thank you very much for your thoughtful and considered response and your insights. You were pretty much bang on the money.

                       

                      My Variax 700 does have a trem, but it is tight against the body. I use the same type of strings that the Variax came with, which are ELIXIR .009's.  I also use a medium thickness pick and would say that I am heavy handed as I mostly play electric guitar style and treat the Variax very much like my other guitars but as you correctly point out - it is actually a modelling instrument and therefore different models need different techniques to bring out all the subtle nuances and the best sounds.

                       

                      I had already tried changing to a lighter pick and playing more gently for the acoustic sounds as I had noticed that did improve the sounds generated but I have still not managed to get it sounding as good as your clips. Maybe I will try moving to .010's at some point.  At least I know it can sound that good - so I have just got to persevere and change my playing style when using the acoustic models.

                       

                      Thanks again Neal. Very much appreciated.

                      • RogerZ Just Startin' 34 posts since
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                        Aug 29, 2010 2:40 AM (in response to edstar1960)
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                        I just found a really good example how good a Variax can sound! Although it is the sound from a Variax 700...I can imagine how good the JTV must sound. In this Youtube-video I hear no problems with palmmuting! I think it's just the way how you play a Vax. A real full sound. It looks like he is not having any problem with the trem. The guy want's to sell his black Variax 700. I mailed him, gave big compliments about his playing and sound. He actually really likes his Variax, but is just like all of us curious about the JTV. Check out the clips... he switches from full 'shredder' to clean acoustic and in a song you hear Sitar prominent. Beautiful!

                         

                        http://www.youtube.com/paulcoenradie

                        • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                          Aug 29, 2010 7:38 PM (in response to RogerZ)
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                          RogerZ wrote:

                           

                          I just found a really good example how good a Variax can sound! Although it is the sound from a Variax 700...I can imagine how good the JTV must sound. In this Youtube-video I hear no problems with palmmuting! I think it's just the way how you play a Vax. A real full sound. It looks like he is not having any problem with the trem. The guy want's to sell his black Variax 700. I mailed him, gave big compliments about his playing and sound. He actually really likes his Variax, but is just like all of us curious about the JTV. Check out the clips... he switches from full 'shredder' to clean acoustic and in a song you hear Sitar prominent. Beautiful!

                           

                          http://www.youtube.com/paulcoenradie

                          Just checked this link out and the playing is really great.  However, I listened to both videos and I didn't hear anything other than shredding.  Where is the Sitar or any other instrument supposed to be?  Just curious if you have a moment to figure out what video link would demonstrate those non-shred bits you mentioned?

            • pappywatts Just Startin' 78 posts since
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              Aug 23, 2010 2:03 AM (in response to pappywatts)
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              Aug 10, 2010 1:20 AM in response to: RogerZ Re: JTV soundclip requests

               

              Regarding soundclips this bloke used to demo for Orange

              http://www.youtube.com/user/RobChappers?feature=chclk#p/u/4/7xZOZE51g9A

              He's demoing the jtv59, straight into the amp,old style everything up for filth, and down for cleans, there are 5 clips explaining usage, the development, and  I

              think he's playing the USA Tyler version. Looks really well built, the quality is outstanding.

              My only criticism is why do these guitarists insist on playing shred, like doh ray me at lightspeed,  and " Dead or Alive" for the acoustic clip

               

              Ahem regarding the preceding posts, and the criteria laid down by the originator of this topic, I did post the above a week or so ago

               

              I'll stand by my original comment...don't they know any James Taylor?

              • Nick_Mattocks Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
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                Aug 23, 2010 9:50 AM (in response to pappywatts)
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                Fair enough.  Sorry I didn't catch your earlier post.  The clips were pointed out to me by someone else over the phone.

                 

                Regards

                 

                Nick

              • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                Aug 29, 2010 7:35 PM (in response to pappywatts)
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                pappywatts wrote:

                 

                Aug 10, 2010 1:20 AM in response to: RogerZ Re: JTV soundclip requests

                 

                Regarding soundclips this bloke used to demo for Orange

                 

                http://www.youtube.com/user/RobChappers?feature=chclk#p/u/4/7xZOZE51g9A

                 

                He's demoing the jtv59, straight into the amp,old style everything up for filth, and down for cleans, there are 5 clips explaining usage, the development, and  I

                think he's playing the USA Tyler version. Looks really well built, the quality is outstanding.

                My only criticism is why do these guitarists insist on playing shred, like doh ray me at lightspeed,  and " Dead or Alive" for the acoustic clip

                 

                Ahem regarding the preceding posts, and the criteria laid down by the originator of this topic, I did post the above a week or so ago

                 

                I'll stand by my original comment...don't they know any James Taylor?

                I wish I did know more than just a few James Taylor songs (Fire & Rain, Copper Line, Handyman, Whenever I see your Smiling Face, Going to Carolina, etc.) that everyone has heard and might be tired of hearing these days.  He's a terrific singer/songwriter/performer/guitarist  <--not necessarily in this order of priority.

                 

                However, I still stand by my preciously submtted demo of my Variax 700 plugged direct from the DI/Power supply into my recording console and out of my small control room speakers which were picked up by my Sony video camera positioned directly in front of me.

                 

                As my Y.T. video states...no effects, nothing edited, altered, etc.  One continous shot with the only thing changing the tone is the tone knob on the guitar that controls the virtual microphone positioning for adjusting the overall tone from any model of acoustic chosen.

                 

                Isn't this a good place to begin if you want to hear what an Electric Model Variax can sound like in Acoustic mode without any effects??  Yet, no comments were made good or bad about what I posted in the hopes of answering Pappywatts question at least regarding Acoustic guitar modeling done by an electric Variax.  As soon as my JTV model 59 arrives, I will be posting many demo videos comparing the new JTV Vax vs. the Model 700 Vax in as many situations as I can dream up.  Just waiting for my new JTV to arrive whenever that will be?

  • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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    Aug 22, 2010 2:53 AM (in response to usernametaken)
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    usernametaken wrote:

     

    When you're putting together clips of the JTV for the web site, I have some requests:

     

    -Please provide plenty of examples of just the guitar models without accompaniment. You can provide tracks with other instruments, but I'm concerned with how the models themselves sound, not how they sound in songs I don't care about. If you want to show how they fit in the mix that's fine, but each model should have its own clip where the tone is not covered up by other instruments.

     

    -Please don't slather the model demos in effects and distortion. Again, I want to hear the models, not the amp or effects. An acoustic guitar awash in reverb and delay only reduces the ability to discern how the model itself sounds, and makes it appear like someone wants to cover up the original sound with effects. And if you're going to do clip with a pod set to 'insane distortion mud patch #3', please have either a good part of the clip clean or provide another clip of it just clean.

     

    When I make my decision on buying, I'm going to be purchasing it over the internet. That means either I'm going to need to decide based on the clips you provide or some bad youtube video made by a guy with a cheap camera pointing at his guitar instead of his amp. Please provide enough good examples so I don't have to rely on that guy.

    Can't wait for you to hear the sound samples. Your post gave me the idea to run through every model including the real pickups all the way through just runing into a Deluxe miked up to get the most natural sound of a deluxe. Set the amp to a tone that works across the board and didn't touch it. So you can literally hear each model. Then we did some fun clips with effects into the Deluxe, a Plexi and an AC-30 and compared the same model coming from the 69 and 59 to show how each sounds.
    • toasterdude Just Startin' 712 posts since
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      Aug 22, 2010 8:38 AM (in response to RichRenken)
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      Line6Renken wrote:

       

      usernametaken wrote:

       

      When you're putting together clips of the JTV for the web site, I have some requests:

       

      -Please provide plenty of examples of just the guitar models without accompaniment. You can provide tracks with other instruments, but I'm concerned with how the models themselves sound, not how they sound in songs I don't care about. If you want to show how they fit in the mix that's fine, but each model should have its own clip where the tone is not covered up by other instruments.

       

      -Please don't slather the model demos in effects and distortion. Again, I want to hear the models, not the amp or effects. An acoustic guitar awash in reverb and delay only reduces the ability to discern how the model itself sounds, and makes it appear like someone wants to cover up the original sound with effects. And if you're going to do clip with a pod set to 'insane distortion mud patch #3', please have either a good part of the clip clean or provide another clip of it just clean.

       

      When I make my decision on buying, I'm going to be purchasing it over the internet. That means either I'm going to need to decide based on the clips you provide or some bad youtube video made by a guy with a cheap camera pointing at his guitar instead of his amp. Please provide enough good examples so I don't have to rely on that guy.

      Can't wait for you to hear the sound samples. Your post gave me the idea to run through every model including the real pickups all the way through just runing into a Deluxe miked up to get the most natural sound of a deluxe. Set the amp to a tone that works across the board and didn't touch it. So you can literally hear each model. Then we did some fun clips with effects into the Deluxe, a Plexi and an AC-30 and compared the same model coming from the 69 and 59 to show how each sounds.

      Sounds very cool. Are you planning to do a video showing the JTV hooked into a POD x3 and doing dual tone patches? To me that is taking guitar top the next level. Kevin Dukes seems like a perfect choice for that type of thang!

      • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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        Aug 22, 2010 10:10 PM (in response to toasterdude)
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        toasterdude wrote:


        Sounds very cool. Are you planning to do a video showing the JTV hooked into a POD x3 and doing dual tone patches? To me that is taking guitar top the next level. Kevin Dukes seems like a perfect choice for that type of thang!

         

        That would be a definite thing. Already talking to him.

      • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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        Aug 22, 2010 10:11 PM (in response to usernametaken)
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        usernametaken wrote:

         

        Rich-

         

        That sounds great. I'm eager to hear the results. Any idea when there's going to be an official launch of the JTV site / line 6 product pages with clips / videos?

         

        You mean at www.tylervariax.com?

          • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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            Aug 24, 2010 12:50 AM (in response to usernametaken)
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            usernametaken wrote:

             

            Line6Renken wrote:

             

            usernametaken wrote:

             

            Rich-

             

            That sounds great. I'm eager to hear the results. Any idea when there's going to be an official launch of the JTV site / line 6 product pages with clips / videos?

             

            You mean at www.tylervariax.com?

            Either at tylervariax.com or the line6 site. Right now the jtv site is set up like a blog with running updates, and I don't know if that's the entire plan for the site or if it will turn into a formal web site with sound clips, videos, specs, etc in an easy to navigate format like a traditional web site. I assume line 6 will be putting up a JTV product page on the main site just like it does for everything else.

             

            The only website for the new JTVs will be www.tylervariax.com. Obviously there will be a link under products and on the front page at line6.com.

             

            But, yes, when the guitars ship, we will go live with a full blown site with all kinds of great vids and interesting stuff and specs and all that. We are going to implement some other cool things that pull in content from all you guys.

             

            For now, it is my blog with help from my marketing guy David P.

  • Nick_Mattocks Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
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    Aug 22, 2010 3:15 AM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    You might be interested in the series of five video clips on YouTube done by Fred from Line 6 and Rob Chappers from Andertons in the UK starting with this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOZE51g9A&feature=search - Sound quality is really very good and the guitar used is a Korean JTV59 throughout.

     

    Nick

    • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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      Aug 22, 2010 10:08 PM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)
      Re: JTV soundclip requests

      nickmattocks wrote:

       

      You might be interested in the series of five video clips on YouTube done by Fred from Line 6 and Rob Chappers from Andertons in the UK starting with this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOZE51g9A&feature=search - Sound quality is really very good and the guitar used is a Korean JTV59 throughout.

       

      Nick

       

      Yes, they are awesome videos. Killer job by Fred. Love that guy.

       

      I agree, the sound quality is real good, but the guitar sounds even better than these videos.

      • Nick_Mattocks Expert Line 6 User 9,066 posts since
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        Aug 23, 2010 12:14 AM (in response to RichRenken)
        Re: JTV soundclip requests

        Line6Renken wrote:

         

        Yes, they are awesome videos. Killer job by Fred. Love that guy.

         

        I agree, the sound quality is real good, but the guitar sounds even better than these videos.

         

         

         

        Probably one of the best sounding on-line demo clips I've heard so far, but I have no doubt the real thing in the flesh sounds way better still.... 

         

        Fred - if you're reading this - Great job on the vids

         

        Nick

  • iron Just Startin' 56 posts since
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    Sep 3, 2010 6:39 AM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/guitars/electric/6-string-solid-body/james-tyler-variax-jtv-69us-274926/review

     

    Is this one a duplicate of what was posted?  I couldn't find it.

     

    Thanks.

     

    Actually, this video is one of the best I've heard.  It has a lot of examples.  I thought the modeled tele didn't sound as tele-ish as the "real" one he used but I like the modeled les pauls better.  The baritone example was fun as well and I can clearly hear the updated ricky 12 string sounds as well as the acoustic sounds phenominal.

    In fact, listening to the acoustic models while typing this it clearly sounds as if an acoustic guitar were being played straight into a mic.

     

    Overall, I think the models sounds gorgeous.  Variax in baritone?  Awesome.  Liked it much better than standard tuning.  Really am getting too excited about this guitar.  Hopefully, the korean models sound as good as US models.

    • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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      Sep 5, 2010 1:03 AM (in response to iron)
      Re: JTV soundclip requests

      iron wrote:

      I thought the modeled tele didn't sound as tele-ish as the "real" one he used

       

      The Korean does sound as good as the USA. Everything that has to do with getting the modeling sound to your amp is exactly the same on both.

       

      Your statement above is true but not for why you probably think. We modeled a 1960 tele with a rosewood neck, he is comparing to a maple neck newer tele.

      • philGre Just Startin' 34 posts since
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        Sep 6, 2010 7:02 AM (in response to RichRenken)
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        Hi Rich,

         

        mmm...good to know the modeled Tele has a rosewood neck as the variax workbench is showing maple colored neck on all T- models

        I agree the bridge tele sound on the variax is (at least through earphones) a little bit less brilliant, but I guess this can be adjusted with workbench and anyway, it has a tele sound!

         

        Reading the test, I see it says the modeled sounds have a little bit less dynamics than the originals. I must say I'm a bit confused about what is behind this word of dynamics. To me dynamics rely to the gap between the lowest sound level and the highest possible, so in this manner I understand you have maybe less nuance possible in your guitar playing? (for instance once you give enough attack with mediator you get the max output level whereas with the real guitar you could still have some different output level above this attack level?).

        Not sure I"m clear, apologies for my english

         

        Phil

        • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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          Sep 13, 2010 3:06 AM (in response to philGre)
          Re: JTV soundclip requests

          philGre wrote:

           

          Hi Rich,

           

          mmm...good to know the modeled Tele has a rosewood neck as the variax workbench is showing maple colored neck on all T- models

          I agree the bridge tele sound on the variax is (at least through earphones) a little bit less brilliant, but I guess this can be adjusted with workbench and anyway, it has a tele sound!

           

          Reading the test, I see it says the modeled sounds have a little bit less dynamics than the originals. I must say I'm a bit confused about what is behind this word of dynamics. To me dynamics rely to the gap between the lowest sound level and the highest possible, so in this manner I understand you have maybe less nuance possible in your guitar playing? (for instance once you give enough attack with mediator you get the max output level whereas with the real guitar you could still have some different output level above this attack level?).

          Not sure I"m clear, apologies for my english

           

          Phil

           

          What are you referring to? What test? Who said something about dynamics?

          • favance Just Startin' 50 posts since
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            Sep 13, 2010 5:00 AM (in response to RichRenken)
            Re: JTV soundclip requests

            Hi Rich.  As a previous owner of the Variax 700, 500, and 600, I'm really looking forward to owning a new Variax.  I believe Line 6 has addressed every one of my major complaints w/the previous models!  I do have one question:

             

            How come the US versions are roughly three times the cost of the Korean versions?

             

            I really would like to support US-made guitars and would really like a JTV-69 US w/maple fretboard.  I would be willing (and have the cash in hand) to purchase one of these bad boys if it were in the $2k (double the street price of the Korean).  With the maple fretboard, it would replace my 2006 American Deluxe Strat (street price roughly $1500) as my main guitar.  However, it's tough to justify a +$3K to my wife (and to myself)...and it's not even a custom build...  Anyway, can Line 6 help grow the American economy, by producing a more economical, quality American-made version?

             

            thanks,

              Alan Vance

            • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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              Sep 13, 2010 12:25 PM (in response to favance)
              Re: JTV soundclip requests

              favance wrote:

               

              Hi Rich.  As a previous owner of the Variax 700, 500, and 600, I'm really looking forward to owning a new Variax.  I believe Line 6 has addressed every one of my major complaints w/the previous models!  I do have one question:

               

              How come the US versions are roughly three times the cost of the Korean versions?

               

              I really would like to support US-made guitars and would really like a JTV-69 US w/maple fretboard.  I would be willing (and have the cash in hand) to purchase one of these bad boys if it were in the $2k (double the street price of the Korean).  With the maple fretboard, it would replace my 2006 American Deluxe Strat (street price roughly $1500) as my main guitar.  However, it's tough to justify a +$3K to my wife (and to myself)...and it's not even a custom build...  Anyway, can Line 6 help grow the American economy, by producing a more economical, quality American-made version?

               

              thanks,

                Alan Vance

              It is a simple question of math. We have costs and have to pay all involved. One day when we can build our own USA factory then the price may come down a bit. But personally, I would not want to do what other companies do and then call it made in the USA. I would also not want to build so so instruments.

               

              While it isn't custom made in the sense that you can order whatever you want, we have many skus. It is built the exactly the same way as many boutique guitars are built. Bodies and necks come from a builder in Northern Cali and painted in SoCal and then Tim Wilson, who ran the Jackson custom shop for years, is putting them together and all of this is with Tyler's supervision and mine. It is a smokin instrument.

               

              But, the Korean guitars are killer as well. No compromise. Just different tuners and no quartersawn necks.

          • philGre Just Startin' 34 posts since
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            Sep 13, 2010 11:23 AM (in response to RichRenken)
            Re: JTV soundclip requests

            Hi Rich,

             

            dynamics are taked about in the musicradar test you gave a link to on this site :

            http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/guitars/electric/6-string-solid-body/james-tyler-variax-jtv-69us-274926/review/3

             

            "Constantly referencing the digital against the magnetic sounds, you do perceive  differences.

            Overall the dynamics are a little more limited and bass response can  sometimes seem a little clouded; conversely the high treble response can sound a  little over-crisp on brighter sounds"

             

            what does he mean by "dynamics are a little more limited"? I have difficult to realize what is concretely behind this word.

            Thanks for your feedback

            Phil

            • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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              Sep 13, 2010 12:35 PM (in response to philGre)
              Re: JTV soundclip requests

              philGre wrote:

               

              Hi Rich,

               

              dynamics are taked about in the musicradar test you gave a link to on this site :

              http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/guitars/electric/6-string-solid-body/james-tyler-variax-jtv-69us-274926/review/3

               

              "Constantly referencing the digital against the magnetic sounds, you do perceive  differences.

              Overall the dynamics are a little more limited and bass response can  sometimes seem a little clouded; conversely the high treble response can sound a  little over-crisp on brighter sounds"

               

              what does he mean by "dynamics are a little more limited"? I have difficult to realize what is concretely behind this word.

              Thanks for your feedback

              Phil

               

              Oh! Got it.

               

              I believe that they are talking about "compression". They are sensing a bit less of a dynamic range.

               

              That is their own perception. I have many key players that are fans of Variax I as well and they don't sense that at all. I had a few guys notice it on the Acoustic guitar models and we are in the process of easing that up and working on the eq of the acoustic models.

              • philGre Just Startin' 34 posts since
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                Sep 13, 2010 1:10 PM (in response to RichRenken)
                Re: JTV soundclip requests

                Oh thanks for the clarification.

                Whatever people's perception can be on compression, one thing I really appreciate and bless you for is to see you are still working on improving the sound

                (for a potential future firmware update?), even before the guitar is out!

                This is professional behavior! thanks for that (and all the rest )

                Phil

            • mdmayfield Just Startin' 292 posts since
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              Sep 13, 2010 7:03 PM (in response to philGre)
              Re: JTV soundclip requests

              philGre wrote:

               

              what does he mean by "dynamics are a little more limited"? I have difficult to realize what is concretely behind this word.

              Thanks for your feedback

              Phil

               

              He may well not know, himself. I'm not sure whether he is this way, but many purists throw words like that around, without knowing what they mean. They do this because it sounds more "scientific" than just saying "I know it's digital, digital is against my religion, so I feel icky playing it and the placebo effect makes me think it sounds bad."

               

              Or, he thoroughly loves the sound of the Variax, but is unwilling to risk his credibility by saying it's an unqualified success. Huge crowds of closed-minded, superstitious double-blind-test-deniers, who refuse to believe that any new technology can sound as good as or (sacrilege!) better than old technology, would turn against him.

               

              The only sensible way I can imagine to interpret this phrase is to mean that playing, say, 6 dB louder only results in a 3 dB increase in output level. This is easily disprovable. Although, often engineers will put a guitar sound through a compressor to deliberately accomplish exactly this.

               

              If people actually cared about dynamics, we would not have the Loudness War.

              Plugin Blocker ↓

              • gitarzan53 Just Startin' 203 posts since
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                Sep 13, 2010 7:38 PM (in response to mdmayfield)
                Re: JTV soundclip requests

                That's an interesting article...funny that one of the strengths of CD audio (the silence you could achieve in the quiet parts), is being defeated by squashing the dynamic range of the recordings.

                • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                  Sep 13, 2010 8:03 PM (in response to gitarzan53)
                  Re: JTV soundclip requests

                  gitarzan53 wrote:

                   

                  That's an interesting article...funny that one of the strengths of CD audio (the silence you could achieve in the quiet parts), is being defeated by squashing the dynamic range of the recordings.

                  I agree with your observation.

                   

                  Being the old fart that I am to have lived through much of the advances in music technology.  Plus having worked in the pro level recording studio business level for a couple of decades.  I remember when all digital recording consoles & recording machines first came out.

                   

                  One of the first recordings on one was the 2nd ASIA album/CD.  It sounded so thin and sterile, that NO ONE wanted to even listen to it.  THEN the genius' who thought up the all digital recording console, ADDED the "noise" control.  Ironically, so the engineeer could ADD the "noise" that you *perceived - not heard* on recordings from non-digital consoles/recorders to give the finished product that nice warm sound that the previous technology already had from being recorded onto 2 inch analog tape through an semi-digital automated recording console.

                   

                  Now no one even thinks about it, but it's still added to every recording. Ain't life interesting?? 

                  • mdmayfield Just Startin' 292 posts since
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                    Sep 14, 2010 9:38 AM (in response to MerlinFL)
                    Re: JTV soundclip requests

                    Yup, exactly. Digital audio does not *add* a "sterile" quality - it doesn't add anything; it is transparent. What you hear on the digital recording is what you heard in the control room as it was tracked live.

                     

                    So, when people expect to hear the slight distortion, hiss, dynamic range compression, and transient smearing that they call "warm" in tape-based recordings, and don't hear it, they interpret that as sterile or "cold."

                     

                    Those are pretty inexact words, though, as they refer to feelings, not sound.

                  • gitarzan53 Just Startin' 203 posts since
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                    Sep 16, 2010 11:04 AM (in response to MerlinFL)
                    Re: JTV soundclip requests

                    Ah, the ol' "noise control". I like it. Too bad the new consoles don't have a "good" control to make what comes out actually good, listenable music. Just kidding, I sound like my dad or something!

                    • MerlinFL Iknowathingortwo 1,524 posts since
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                      Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM (in response to gitarzan53)
                      Re: JTV soundclip requests

                      gitarzan53 wrote:

                       

                      Ah, the ol' "noise control". I like it. Too bad the new consoles don't have a "good" control to make what comes out actually good, listenable music. Just kidding, I sound like my dad or something!

                      Hey son - I told NOT to make fun of the music I like.  Fair enough?? 

              • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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                Sep 16, 2010 5:14 PM (in response to mdmayfield)
                Re: JTV soundclip requests

                mdmayfield wrote:

                 

                If people actually cared about dynamics, we would not have the Loudness War.


                 

                Hear, hear........

      • iron Just Startin' 56 posts since
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        Sep 6, 2010 12:28 PM (in response to RichRenken)
        Re: JTV soundclip requests

        Line6Renken wrote:

         

        iron wrote:

        I thought the modeled tele didn't sound as tele-ish as the "real" one he used

         

        The Korean does sound as good as the USA. Everything that has to do with getting the modeling sound to your amp is exactly the same on both.

         

        Your statement above is true but not for why you probably think. We modeled a 1960 tele with a rosewood neck, he is comparing to a maple neck newer tele.

        OK.  That makes sense. Thank you again for keeping us all informed on the development.  Any chance the Line 6 crew is heading to Atlanta?

  • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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    Sep 5, 2010 12:59 AM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    Here is a good video a buddy of mine did.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmu4FgA7M5Y

     

    We will be blogging with our sound samples soon. Hang tough.

  • RichRenken Line 6 Support 1,900 posts since
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    Sep 13, 2010 3:09 AM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    I posted a fun clip of a buddy of mine using a 69 to track. He solos up some 6120 tracks and talks about the gggrrrrrr factor. It can be seen at www.tylervariax.com. Also, we will posting some more fun clips and then our sound samples there very soon. Keep an ear out.

  • Goocher Just Startin' 183 posts since
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    Oct 9, 2010 10:13 AM (in response to usernametaken)
    Re: JTV soundclip requests

    I'm a little late to this thread, but I just ordered a JTV-69 US and can post clips once I get it.  If I hadn't sold my 700 this past spring, I'd post side-by-side model comparisons.

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