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Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
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May 18, 2011 8:21 PM

HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

Here's me noodling around on some patches I just created.  Listen in stereo for maximum effect.

 

The dirty is a Treadplate and J800 in stereo with a screamer before and phaser and ping pong delay after.  The clean is a AC30TB and PhD Motorway in stereo with digital delay and analog with mod, and an analog chorus.  I think.  Edit: There's a digital delay after the J800 only in addition to the ping pong after both.  It's set to 20ms and 100% wet.

 

What I find very cool about the HD models is I didn't feel any need to go fooling around with post-amp EQ.  Not once.  These are recorded straight to disk.  No post processing.

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  • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best
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    1. Oct 9, 2010 10:22 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    Karl

     

    You owe me a new keyboard.  When I saw the title of your post - I spat my coffee out all over my laptop keyboard in pure disbelief LOL

     

    Nice tones BTW.  I like Are you sticking them up on Custom Tone?

     

    Nick

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
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    2. Oct 9, 2010 10:27 AM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    Well, the truth is that I'm finally getting to know this unit well enough that I'm getting tones that are every bit as good as what I was getting on the Axe.

     

    Sorry about your keyboard.

     

    And I did sell my Axe-Fx.

  • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best
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    3. Oct 9, 2010 10:30 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    I lied about the keyboard LOL.  I'm an attention seeker as anyone who knows me well will tell you. But you really sold your Axe FX???   Wow - now I am seriously impressed as I know that would have taken a lot for you to do.

     

    Nick

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
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    4. Oct 9, 2010 10:36 AM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    Yeah, I got good money for it too.  Almost broke even.  Bottom line, I can get what I need for recording from this HD for sure, and even direct to FOH at church if I need to.  The AC30 on the HD is awesome.  Give the Axe a run for its money...at 1/4 of the price.

     

    I've gone back to tube half stacks for the band.  Axe was complete overkill in that regard.  Sounded great, but real tube amps sound better.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
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    5. Oct 9, 2010 11:23 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    odd that you are digging the AC30... cause that is the one i'm currently infatuated with...

    i love the crisp well defined clean sound and being able to dig in get a nice overdrive out of it.....

    not sure what part is HD and what part is DT... all i can tell for certain is that i'm digging it so much that i can't seem to put it down for more than a few minutes.

  • timowens Gear Head
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    6. Oct 9, 2010 11:42 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    That sounds really-really good, and if you say it can replace your Axe-Fx then that says a lot too (I know you have a good ear for tone). But personally, I am going to hold off for a while to see if they got all the hardware and software bugs worked out, I really don't want to go through another X3L experience

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
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    7. Oct 9, 2010 11:47 AM (in response to timowens)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    timowens wrote:

     

    see if they got all the hardware and software bugs worked out, I really don't want to go through another X3L experience

     

    Yeah, me neither.  Far as I know, the shipping firmware is as bug free as it gets.  And hardware doesn't appear to be a problem.  They've got those footswitches worked out now.  And the case is ALL METAL

  • John_BlisterTip Just Startin'
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    8. Oct 9, 2010 2:08 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    That is a hysterical thread title considering that other huge thread.

     

    From everything I have heard so far it seems like Pod is fatter than the Axe. Im not saying its better because I haven't heard enough but I never heard too many fat tubey tones from Axe. Most were extremely hi-fi, which is its strength, very pristine, but too clinical. But my guess is that it can be dialed in, with all its settings, to a much more fuzzy tone but most users favored a less chewy sound.

     

    What really chaps my azz is that Line6 didnt include more control over the amps internals---they dont seem to understand that was one of the huge draws of the Axe. When you can basically build your own amp..you have so many places to go if you dont like the default amps setting they use.

     

    I also agree that a real amp, unless the DT50 turns out to be great, is the way to go live just because its so much easier to get the tried and true voicing that has fit in with a band, frequency wise, since--forever.

  • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User
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    9. Oct 9, 2010 2:48 PM (in response to John_BlisterTip)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    John_BlisterTip wrote:

     


     

    What really chaps my azz is that Line6 didnt include more control over the amps internals---they dont seem to understand that was one of the huge draws of the Axe. When you can basically build your own amp..you have so many places to go if you dont like the default amps setting they use.

     

     

    I for one am glad they didn't. I think things start getting really anal when you start down that route. How many people build their own Marshalls? You use what Marshall give you. Maybe you'll change the valves but that's it for most people. Really, too much tinkering destroys creativity. I don't think it's a case of Line 6 not understanding - maybe they understand their target audience very well (if they're like me). Frankly I don't want to be building a delay effect from scratch, just give me a friggin' tape echo and I'm off.

  • ozbadman Gear Head
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    10. Oct 9, 2010 2:41 PM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    +1, and I own an AXE-FX Ultra

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User
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    11. Oct 9, 2010 2:49 PM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    Mr_Arkadin wrote:

    I for one am glad they didn't. I think things start getting really anal when you start down that route.

     

    Maybe that's because Fractal went completely anal by exposing properties nobody should probably ever mess with.  B+ capacitance?  Sure, I went as far as to modify the bright cap values to my tastes.  But power tube bias parameters?  I bought that modeler to get away from having to bias tubes.

     

    If Line6 wants to expose some USEFUL additional parameters, that would be fine by me:

     

    For instance:

     

    • Master volume (separate from input gain)
    • Sag

     

    Just those two parameters would be enough for most tweakers.  If they want to include a bright switch and cap values, that'd be cool too.

  • Brion_Kean Just Startin'
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    12. Oct 9, 2010 4:04 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    Looks like you are not the only one!!

     

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180571361450&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

     

    AXE FX ULTRA MINT CONDITION

    Item condition:Used
    Time left:4d 14h (Oct 14, 201007:01:57 PDT)
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    Current bid:US $1,875.00
  • Dbourget Just Startin'
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    13. Oct 9, 2010 4:20 PM (in response to Brion_Kean)
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    Man those tone sound good!

     

    Dan

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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    14. Oct 9, 2010 5:19 PM (in response to John_BlisterTip)
    Re: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)

    This kind of reminds me of some of my friends who complain about the Iphone.  They go on and on about how they can root their Droids (which I actually own a Droid, but haven't rooted it), and they complain about Apple tying user's hands.  I think the fact is, though, the vast majority of people who buy phones don't care about that.  They just want a phone that works with the ability to get apps they like.

     

    I have no desire to build an amp.  I hate changing tubes in my amps.  The limit of my customization as it relates to amps is changing the speaker in a few of my amps.  I don't want to change caps or pots - even virtual ones.  I just want to have quick access to some good core tones that inspire me to play.

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