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PhimosisIV Just Startin'
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Dec 2, 2010 5:54 AM

Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

Hi guys!

 

I am using my POD X3 live to record via USB with Reaper and everything is excellent. But I'm wondering if there is any possibility to assign a recorded signal to any of the outputs of my POD (with USB) and re-send it to the guitar input of the unit (via jack) to apply any effect of the unit to that track and record it real-time in a new track while playing the original track in my PC. I've tried to use the phones output or live outputs to send to the guitar or auxiliary input but I just get the obvious feedback noise because is always the same signal proceessed to the original. I've been trying to reconfigure the sound matrix in reaper but I don't find there the line 6 outputs. Perhaps it's impossible but it would be interesting.

 

Thank you.

Tags: usb, recording, plugin, x3l, x3_live, reaper
  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
    TheRealZap
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    Dec 2, 2010 6:16 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
    Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

    that would be the long way... as an x3 owner you are entitled to a free version of the pod farm plugin (VERSION 1)

    which adds all of the x3 processing to a plugin that you can basically get the results you are after without so much hassle.

     

    you can download pod farm 1 here: http://line6.com/software/

    but if you haven't done so, get monkey and it will help you get all the updates...

    keep in mind that pod farm 2 is not a free update and the tones aren't compatible with the x3 hardware...

    • PhimosisIV Just Startin'
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      Dec 2, 2010 8:12 AM (in response to TheRealZap)
      Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

      Many thanks for your answer. I've been trying wha pedal plug-ins and it's a pitty that they couldn't be controled by the expression pedal of my X3L. Applying wah to an existing recorded guitar solo track was the purpose for what I was trying all that strange experiments.

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
        silverhead
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        Dec 2, 2010 8:43 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
        Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

        There are two technical problems here that I don't think can be worked around:

        1) the signal that the X3 receives as input from the DAW is an undifferentiated audio stream. The X3 can't distinguish your guitar track from other playback tracks. Of course, if you only wanted to playback the guitar track solo you could get around this, except that....

        2) the X3 has no way to process the incoming USB audio stream. You cannot direct it to one of the Tone Inputs.

         

        The only workaround I can think of is to play back the guitar track solo, panned full left. Using a standard guitar lead, route the X3L L/Mono output (which is line level - you need to be using Match Studio Direct mode to hear the USB playback, I think) to the X3L Guitar Input (which is instrument level). But I think this is a bit crazy because more important than the level mismatch is the feedback loop being created in the X3L - taking its own output as input. I wouldn't even try it for fear of damaging something other than my ears but you might be more daring.

      • pchapple Just Startin'
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        Dec 2, 2010 8:50 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
        Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

        I don't know about the WAH effects in POD FARM, but there are other WAH effects available / filters available as VST plugins.  The envelope on these can be allocated to a MIDI controller.

         

        Does anyone know if the WAH position in POD FARM can be allocated to a MIDI controller, or an envelope in the DAW?  Then you just have to move your MIDI controller, or draw the envelope in your DAW to give the WAH movement.

         

        Otherwise, find a VST WAH, or good notch filter and use that instead.

         

        Been a long day, I might be talking rubbish ... ... ... ...

      • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
        TheRealZap
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        Dec 2, 2010 9:22 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
        Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

        i'm pretty sure that pod farm 2 can be controlled by the expression pedal once you setup the midi learn...

        not done it myself or have the need to... but i do believe this to be the case and there is a 30 day return policy if for some reason i am mistaken.

  • PhimosisIV Just Startin'
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    Dec 2, 2010 11:07 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
    Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

    Thanks a lot to everybody. I supposed that the effects were just for an external input signal instead of that coming via USB, that's why I tried in Studio Match Mode to pan left and make the loop with the left output and guitar input and I can say yes, the feedback is incredible, bad option (but the unit is still alive). I've been trying to control the envelope for the WAH via MIDI, but I haven't find that option in Reaper, I can draw the envelope shape with the mouse previously or recording it real-time moving the knob in the plug-in while playing the track, but I can't find the same response as pressing with a real expression pedal. About pod farm 2...I was thinking in something to save money of purchasing it, but is good to know that it should be able to do it. Thanks again... I think that I will record the solo again using  the WAH.

    • pchapple Just Startin'
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      Dec 3, 2010 1:14 AM (in response to PhimosisIV)
      Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

      Hi PhimosisIV, you're right that drawing the envelope with a mouse is not great.  I finally bought a small MIDI keyboard with several knobs and faders.  I ifind that the faders care pretty good for getting a smooth / realistic movement.

       

      I guess the other option is to get a MIDI foot pedal.... ... ... or re-record as you said :-)

       

      Good luck

      • PhimosisIV Just Startin'
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        Dec 3, 2010 4:11 AM (in response to pchapple)
        Re: Can I use pod X3L USB as a plug-in?

        Thanks Pchapple! I suppose that faders are better because they may have logarithmic response as the potentiometer inside Wah pedal while the knob in the plug-in is supposed to be linear (I'm not sure) and also the movement of the mouse isn't too accurate, it's a pitty that the expression pedal in the X3L can't be used as a midi controler.

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