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IsmailHassan Just Startin' 11 posts since
Dec 1, 2010
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Dec 16, 2010 8:21 PM

My POD HD500 malfunctioned after use with POD HD500 Edit.

Hi

 

My system is currently running with a  Pentium D CPU 2.80 Ghz 2.81 Ghz with a RAM of 4 GB. It is running on Windows 7 (64 bit). It has NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphic card.

 

Let me inform you on how my POD HD500 came to malfunction and what the malfunction was.

 

I have had installed the Line 6 Monkey and installed the Driver provided by it for the POD HD500 and also registered and updated my POD HD500 with all the available updates. I managed to do this by using the USB cables provided within the box (product). This so far had no problems. I also had installed the POD HD500 Edit program

 

Now as for the POD HD500 Edit program, i came across a few problems. Most of the time, when i turn on the Edit program, it does not fully load up all the presets within my POD HD500 and it stops doing so halfway through. What i did was to close the Edit program, and then disconnect my POD HD500 from the computer and then turn it off for a good few seconds. After this, i turn it back on and proceed to connect it back into the computer via the same USB cables as said before (by the way, i do not use a USB hub which, is discouraged right?). I then turn on the Edit program and it will start to load up the presets again. At times, it still will halt halfway through but i just have to repeat what i have done as i said before and eventually it will manage to load up all the presets and everything will run smoothly.

 

However, just a few hours back, this same thing happened to me and i proceeded to close the program and disconnect the POD HD500 from the computer and then turn it off. However, upon turning the POD HD500 back on, i realised it had started to malfunction. The POD HD500 display screen will light up when i plug the power supply back in. The POD HD500 however, will only display the "start-up" screen where it first shows a black screen before fading into the "line 6" logo. The problem now is that it will keep repeating this display and it will not move on to displaying the presets or any other page whatsoever. Now, it also does not emit any signal through to my amplifier and headphones when i plugged them in. Basically, the way i see it, it has totally hanged on repeat at the start-up screen and is rendered useless.

 

(My POD HD500, even when not connected into the computer, does not work.)

 

I tried connecting it onto the computer via the USB cables, but the computer now does not even detect the POD HD500. Im really lost as to why all this is happening and i posted previously a thread with the same issue but forgot to label it as a question for you Line 6 people. The responses i got was to do the "factory reset". However, im not too sure about this but i think i have to get the POD HD500 to work before the computer can even detect it (do tell me if im wrong on this). And if im right, that would mean i cannot carry out the "factory reset" as it first requires my POD HD500 to be working and second for my computer to detect it. My current situation shows that both isnt working.

 

Im guessing there may have been some software error that had occured but i am not sure. Can the Line 6 people please help me explain what is happening and what i can do to get my POD HD500 fixed and then how to ensure that the Edit program does not screw up my POD HD500 any longer? I've been having great fun with this amazing piece of equipment and it'd be pretty sad to leave it rotting away its potential. Please Line 6 (or any other nutty fella who knows his stuff ) help me. Great thanks in advance!

  • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
    Apr 12, 2008

    Ah the logo loop of death. Same thing happened to me, the only thing to try is a firmware install in test mode but that didn't work for me. Failing that, you'll have to return it for exchange. I got no answer from Line 6 about this and they marked my topic and another guys as answered so take that for what it's worth. Good luck.

      • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
        Nov 25, 2006

        Okay, here is some help for the original poster as this thread is getting a bit off track... The OP said he wasn't sure how to install firmware, well line 6 has made a video showing you how to do it... How helpful :D http://line6.com/community/docs/DOC-2057 if that doesn't work, then the correct ways to get support straight away are to call line 6, or to contact your closest service center and arrange directly with them to service your pod.  They will be able to advise you on the repair procedure, and lead times... Also they are not actually line 6, they are authorised service centres, but have to get all parts from line 6, so line 6 will obviously then have a record of what parts seem to be failing in their devices, and any that fail too often, will of course get looked into... To respond to no her comment from someone else... From what little I know, there are probably well over 1000 pod hd500 units sold so far, so if 6 have the same issue, that's only 0.6% fail rate, which is still good.  I remember a few years ago, 33% of all Nokia phones were faulty within 1year... Those are the sort of figures that make you realise that when a few units fail, that doesn't mean the product is bad... After all, just take a look at the JtV website and see how much effort Rich Renken is putting into making sure the variax production runs are all good... That's what line 6 are like!  I hope this info helps, and clears up some of the misunderstanding.  Peace  Rowbi

        • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
          Apr 12, 2008

          That's not the case mate, they marked it as answered and closed the support ticket, so they are well aware of this and still haven't responded. Also the guy who dealt with my exchange called them and all he got was make sure your running current firmware. That's not misunderstanding, that's ignoring a problem.

          • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
            Mar 26, 2007

            I don't know if this is relevant to you or anyone else with this problem, but if you look back a day or so in this forum, another user experienced the same thing.  He cured his own problem by unplugging his Variax VDI lead.  This kind of makes sense as the Variax draws its power from the HD500 and therefore in his case at least, the guitar appears to have perhaps been drawing too much current/voltage to allow the HD500 to boot properly.  Once booted the Variax could be reconnected.   My initial thought is that perhaps the problem lies in the PSU rather than the HD500 itself.  I sometimes see similar behaviour with computers that are three or four years old and the internal PSU is on the way out.  A replacement PSU invariably cures the problem

             

            I have seen my own Variax 700 prevent my X3 Live from booting now I come to remember and that was definitely a PSU issue and a lack of current - I did something really stupid to cause it: I was using my Digitech Harmony Man which has a 9v AC PSU also, but it only supplies something like 800mA and I simply mixed the two PSU cable ends up so no damage caused but the X3L needs the full 2000mA when a Variax is connected.  Had I left it that way, the Digitech PSU would have overheated and burned out and maybe burned the house down too :-(

             

            I haven't experienced the issue myself, but if I do I have a spare third party PSU which outputs 9v DC at up to 4A and this may prove or disprove the power supply as a possible cause

             

            I believe Line 6 are aware of this issue as I see from other threads.

             

            Tech support are not the design, software or hardware engineers.  Their role is to support end users, resolve issues that can be resolved and where they can't immediately they need to try and reliably reproduce the issue based on the varied information supplied by end users.  Once the problem has been verified, then a bug report can be submitted by Tech Support to the engineering team team for review and inclusion in a program of bug fixes.  Tech Support can request that the bug is looked at and fixed urgently, but the final decision rests with the engineers.

             

            Rowbi's outline of how the technical support guys see active threads is exactly 100% right, so it's important that if the original poster's question has not been answered, then the original poster needs to reply to the thread which then shows the question as still unanswered.  Sometimes users don't come back within 48 hours and at that point the thread might be closed as answered or assumed answered by Tech Support

             

            There do seem to be a few of you with this problem or something like it.  The cause may or may not be the same in all cases.  I suspect that there may be more than one root cause and  whilst in itself identifying the causes doesn't necessarily immediately resolve the issue for users that are affected - (an exchange unit satisfies that immediate issue) the causes still need to be identified.

             

            The numbers of users with this or similar issues does seem to be very small given the reports here against the numbers of units that must have been sold since 30 September.  There may be one or two other users who have experienced similar and not reported it here.   I wouldn't expect this apparent common issue to be very widespread to be honest, so if a unit develops this fault and is replaced I think it quite unlikely that users would see a repeat  performance.  However, that said it is important to find out what's actually causing the problem(s).

             

            Nick

          • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
            Nov 25, 2006

            The_Edge wrote:

             

            That's not the case mate, they marked it as answered and closed the support ticket, so they are well aware of this and still haven't responded. Also the guy who dealt with my exchange called them and all he got was make sure your running current firmware. That's not misunderstanding, that's ignoring a problem.

            I'm sure you are really frustrated with all this, as I'm sure I would be too.

             

            essentially, the closing of your forum thread (it being marked as answered) doesn't signify that line 6 think your issue is fixed... but it means they have flagged that part of the troubleshooting complete.  as for the support ticket... that part should really stay open as long as you have the issue... So I think you mentioned somewhere in the old forum thread: http://line6.com/community/thread/49741 that you'd already sent your pod back for repair... so if the ticket is closed, does that mean you've got it back and it's working?

             

            I'm not really sure what they guy was on about with the firmware thing, was he your dealer who just needed to tick a few boxes on a return sheet before sending it to line 6?? that's all I can think of.

             

            anyway all that aside, is your pod back and working now?

            • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
              Apr 12, 2008

              They closed the ticket before I had got a replacement. The firmware response was what my dealer told me Line 6 had told him when he called them. I have a replacement now, touch wood I haven't had the same problems, few glitches here and there but **** happens. I actually wasn't really angry when it went wrong, these things happen. What I haven't been impressed with is Line 6 support. There might be a small number of cases but I haven't seen anyone say they have had good tech support.

              • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
                Jan 25, 2007

                The_Edge wrote:

                 

                What I haven't been impressed with is Line 6 support. There might be a small number of cases but I haven't seen anyone say they have had good tech support.

                 

                This forum is great for getting quick answers to questions, and it's tier 1.  But should you have any problems where hardware is suspected in the future, I'd call Line6 support directly.  Forget the web, use the phone.  You'll get a direct line to the guys that would be answering the questions here, and they're really helpful and responsive.

                 

                Hope your unit continues to function well and please, if U2 comes anywhere near my town again, stop in and see me.

                • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
                  Apr 12, 2008

                  Lol, does the name give away that im a fan? I should say that apart from the bugs, the Pod is top notch at that price. Don't want to come across too negative.

                    • EliezyGuittar Just Startin' 6 posts since
                      Aug 4, 2009

                      I managed to solve the problem, just holding two buttons."TAP footswitches" and "ENTER amp&fx on/off " buttons, he returned to the home screen with 1A: Son Of Plexi showing in LED POD HD500, but the engineers at Line 6 have to solve this problem with new FLASH i did the upgrade FLASH 1.22, and got the same problem, and i discovered that the problem is something related to the DSP,cuz i made ​​a patch with the greatest effect possible to be with good sound synthesized, and when i turn on my FS2 and FS3 footswitches for example, it turns itself off the screen showing the LINE6 every 5 seconds, then again I did just holding two buttons."TAP footswitches" and "ENTER amp&fx on/off " buttons, he returned to the home screen with 1A: Son Of Plexi showing in LED POD HD500 solving the problem .. so, i have helped, i'm from Brazil my English is a little weak, but i hope you understand well

                       

                       

                      Eliezy Guittar

      • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
        Apr 12, 2008

        The company I purchased it from replaced it for me, although like max_vie, I fully expect to see this problem again. Line 6 have been very quiet on this subject and as I said, marked mine and another guys thread as answered. There does seem to be an "oh this is very rare" kind of attitude going on, I wonder how many more times this will have to pop up before someone actually responds.

        • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
          Jan 25, 2007

          Well, the fact of the matter is that if it were a very common problem, you would actually probably be seeing all sorts of threads about it here.  I followed this forum pretty closely since it was started a few months ago, and it doesn't seem like a widespread problem.  It's just the nature of mass production.  Even with the tightest quality control procedures, there are still going to be sporadic problems from time to time.  Yeah, it sucks if you have it happen to you, but that's life.

           

          It sounds to me like this problem might be related to a faulty EPROM chip or some other component.  If these sorts of thing pop up sporadically with no pattern evident, there's not much a company can do but replace the faulty units.  It doesn't seem like it a systematic issue at this point.

          • The_Edge Just Startin' 44 posts since
            Apr 12, 2008

            With all due respect, if you believe it's sporadic or not, Line 6 have not responded to anyone with this problem and in fact marked topics with this problem as answered. That's unacceptable. I work for a major retail companny and if six people returned the same item with the same problem, we would launch an investigation. Certainly wouldn't pretend it's a one off.

            • lowsco Iknowathingortwo 263 posts since
              Nov 7, 2006

              I couldn't agree more with The Edge. I have been using Line 6 gear from the first hour, I work in the music industry and certainly know how difficult things can be, ....but there is a certain pattern in the Line 6 culture that could well be damaging to their reputation in medium or long term. And with that I mean elements of slightly misleading or at least very unclear advertising, facts-avoiding manuals, how Line 6 responds to bugs and faults etc...

              On the other hand I must admit that Line 6 still pulls the best products in terms of value for money out of their hats, they constantly come up with freebies for existing products in order to keep everybody happy and to be honest, I have never come across a company in this industry that handles returns and repairs like Line 6 does, they're superbly quick and even give you a courtesy call etc...

              It's just this ever so slightly confusing mix of good and bad in the Line 6 culture that I don't understand, a bit Jekyll and Hyde.

            • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
              Nov 25, 2006

              First off, I think it's worth explaining how this forum works, as it seems there is some confusion.  When you mark a thread as a technical question, it is flagged for line 6 tech guys... Now they only work during office hours in California, so when someone else answers the question, the forum software automatically marks the question as assumed answered... That doesn't mean it is answered, but it means for a lot of users who never bother to respond, because they have their answer, their question isn't still in line 6s tech queue... But once the original posters replies to the thread, it automatically unmarks it as assumed answered, and puts it back inn line 6s queue.  I don't think l6 are IGnoring it, I just think they haven't seen it.  If you nt a fast response from l6, then i think the best thing is to call them via the contact us link at the bottom of the page, obviously you should call the US number, during normal office hours in California, which is GMT-8, and you can talk to someone from tech support... BUT I do not think this is a wider issue, I think it is like phil said, it only seems to have affected a few people.. Trust me, if lots of people had this, we would see it on this forum!

    • max_vie Just Startin' 12 posts since
      Aug 24, 2010

      Oh yes - the startup loop problem. Exactly the same happened to me after using one of the patches downloaded from customtone. It could not be solved and I had to return the Pod to the retailer and it took 3 weeks to get it exchanged. I have not tried to connect the Pod to HD Edit since then as I'm afraid that this software lockup can happen anytime again.

       

      There is no information about a software update solving this issue, I never received a statement from a Line 6 technician concerning this matter and it seems that this problem does not happen that often, so Line 6 seems to ignore it. I just don't want to risk that this lockup happens again (and I'm totally sure it can, it does not seem to be a hardware related issue) and I have to return the Pod on my own costs again. It just feels unreliable. So, all I did with the Pod that has been exchanged was powering it up to make sure it's booting and I will put it on eBay.

      • max_vie Just Startin' 12 posts since
        Aug 24, 2010

        Firmware update: Connect your Pod to your PC using the USB cable. Hold down the Multi-function button to the right and power up the Pod. It should boot up in Safe Mode. Then start up the Monkey software and you will find an option to update/reinstall the firmware there. It will take some time and after reinstalling the firmware it will ask you to reboot the Pod. If you are lucky, your Pod is resetted to it's default stage then.

         

        Please note, that this did not work for The_Edge and it did not work for me. But I would give it a try as it's the only thing you can do as a user to get the Pod working again. If nothing happens and the Pod still hangs in the startup loop I'm afraid you have to bring back the Pod and ask for a repair/exchange.

         

        Good luck!!!!

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