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Hey guys, I know flame-baiting is fun and all, but can we keep it on the civil side here?
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Well......maybe that ones borderline. Just the same..the guy keeps begging for it. I woulda quit a couple of pages ago..really!

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He said he was going away a couple of pages ago. The only reason he's still here is that people keep baiting him. Please, let's let the flame die out.
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OK enough please. Civil debate and discussion is one thing but baiting someone who has a different opinion is unacceptable. Thank you for understanding.
Line6Miller
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Im not offended at all from the artwork. No reason to be, the attempts are futile.
Go enjoy your HD. As well as your chevy cavalier.
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FarBeyond3 wrote:
Go enjoy your HD. As well as your chevy cavalier.
I actually have both. My 2001 Cavalier has 195,000 miles on it, is paid for, and gets me reliably back and forth from work and gigs. So did the two of those I owned previously. Great piece of gear. LOL!
And what's even better is that it thinks it's a truck. I can haul a 412 cab in the trunk, and in the fold-down back seat, I haul two amp heads in ATA cases, two guitars, a pedal board, a wireless rig case, two guitar stands, and two gig bags. And still room for a passenger up front.
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Hehe... you hate Chevy as well? You probably hate apple pie, too!
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Ya know ya laughed...I do understand!

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leesguitar wrote:
+1n on that.
Some of the amps (especially the higher gain ones) Sound muffled, like there is a blanket over the speakers and the eq on the unit is nowhere near good enough to sort them out.
Hi leesguitar,
What did you have the HD500 plugged into? Getting the best out of the gear does depend on how it's amplified.
What you have described is lightyears away from the tone and feel of what I have experienced playing either direct to active PA speakers using studio direct or through the DT50 via the L6 LINK. I definitely get the impression that what you were using to amplify the HD500 might have spoiled things for you.
Cheers,
Crusty
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After reading this ENTIRE thread (most of it was good, early morning - sip the coffee, debate), and replying to nobody in particular...
I think I can agree with those that say the Axe-FX is higher in fidelity than the HD series. In the Metal Shootout YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmcHJq5hqHA), this being my only exposure to the Axe-FX sound, the only tone I prefer of the HD is the Recto. I must say I do not play music with this high of gain, so I'm a bit indifferent as to what tone one would use in metal context.
However, it is known in audio Mastering, that the louder tones are often "perceived" as being better. I would suggest that in this YouTube video this effect takes place: the tone with the higher frequency range is perceived as better.
One aspect that hasn't been discussed regarding which device is "better" is when is it "better"? On stage? Rehearsals? Recording? Incessant comparisons over the internet?
Alone in the video, I can acknowledge the fidelity of all the Axe-FX amps are greater. There's simply more high-end in the tone. But, that's not all there is to good tone.
When I think about the bandwidth of a guitar's tone, I don't think of electric, distorted guitar as a full range instrument. I don't want the the tone of a distorted guitar to mask the definition of a bass guitar, the articulation of the vocals, and the splash and brilliance of the cymbals. It would be too much!
So, while the Axe-FX is technically higher fidelity, I'd say that's probably not a good thing, in context of the arrangement of a song.
Sure, if your aspirations of your musical career consists of making tedious technical comparisons of guitar tone products, perhaps the Axe-FX is the best.
But, if you're like most of us, the context of the tone is key. And, I can't say that I've ever heard any song and said "if only they used X product" for their guitar tone, it would be a much better song....
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egelmett wrote:
I can't say that I've ever heard any song and said "if only they used X product" for their guitar tone, it would be a much better song....That is so true!
We're all nitpicking about which one is better heard on a compressed YouTube video or mp3. Honestly, when you start having to really listen hard to hear the differences, and everyone is picking out good and bad from either product, that ought to tell you something right there. BOTH are good. This coming from the guy that has owned and played both, not just heard them on YouTube.
I was struck the other day while listening to some song from the earlier 80's through my studio cans at just how AWFUL the guitar tone was. I mean, BAD. Sounded like he plugged an overdrive pedal into the mixer. Easily acheivable tone through even the most modest of modelers on the market today. And yet, the song was incredibly successful and has stood the test of time. So maybe we're just being cork sniffers here? I recorded a partial demo for a friend's song idea the other day and just used Gearbox for a basic plexi tone and they FLIPPED OUT over how great the guitars sounded.
Any of these tools will get you there. Any of them. All have good and bad points, but honestly...just how bad are the bad points?
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these last two posts really put it into perspective for me. nothing i didn't know already, but when you hear somebody else say it, it kind of rings more true for some reason or another. could this be a late xmas miracle, with people starting to converge here? i have an HD500, a '97 Mesa Tremoverb, and a Fender Supersonic. none can do what the others can, and NONE are going anywhere. they're all keepers!
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All I know is I'm falling deeper in love with the HD500 with each passing day. It sounds great through my amp, and it sounds great through my pa. Actually talking about nitpicking, I'm going the other way, I'm mean I could make separate set lists, one for my amp and one for my pa but I have decided to tweak my patches so they sound good through both. If that means a little bit of compromise then so be it. For one thing, if I decide to just bring the HD500 and my pa to rehearsal, I'll have a fairly good representation of my sound and I won't have to change any settings. And I won't forget to change settings back before a gig to go through my amp. Most importantly, if I want to run left mono out to my amp and right mono out to the pa I'll have fairly consistent tone in both places. To put all this back into the perpsective of the thread and the recent flavour it's taking. I play in a cover band, I've been playing in bands for about 35 years, but there is a lazy side to me, so I try to create some bread and butter tones that will work across multiple songs. I'm not the kind of guy who is going to try to nail every tone from every song to a "T" and make 45 + patches for a night. I have a few specialty patches, but I get through most of the night with 4 patches ( which of course have some variations on the footswitches). And my guitar tone sounds great for every song. So, just as we realize that we don't listen to songs and say that could have used a better guitar tone, or perhaps notice that there is a terrible guitar tone in a song that has been really popular, the truth is if we play those songs live, we can use a tone that we think sounds fine for the song. Heck in the early days I did all my covers with a single channel amp and a few stomp pedals. Now that I have the HD500 I have so many choices but choose to keep it simple. Don't get me wrong good tone is as important to me as it is to anyone, but I can get everything I need from the HD500 and I can't ever imagine wanting or needing the axe fx. When I watch the YouTube comparisons, I don't think either one sounds better, I think it's sounds different. The fact is they are both modelers, its true you will get fairly consistent tone from two different rectifiers, or twins or vox's, especially if they are fairly close in era. But there may be some differences especially if you are talking about vintage pieces. So, taking that into consideration, and the fact that those amps were modeled by different people in different labs using different items, and yet look how close they sound. It could very well come down to the fact that if you choose the same amp model on the axe fx and the HD500 and set all the settings the same, they sound a little different. That doesn't mean you couldn't tweak the tone a little closer. Personally, I could give a crap if any of the models sound exactly like the amp being modeled. The model names are just reference points that help me figure out where to start. Ultimately it's the final tone I achieve that matters, not what's inside the box or how much I paid for it. After all the years I have been playing, I'm so inspired by the tones I get from the HD500 that I'm playing my guitar 2 to 3 hours a day. My fingers are raw! Now I have just ordered, a JTV59 to go with it, I'm really excited about the combination.
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Any of these tools will get you there. Any of them. All have good and bad points, but honestly...just how bad are the bad points?
Depends on who's pointing things out!

The greatest thing about these forums on the Internet is the immediate feedback a reader can get. The biggest problem is that in terms of expressing ourselves....we all have varying motives and ability to write our thoughts out well enough. So in the end it still comes down to trying stuff out and making a decision. I think many want to like what others like...seeking approval on the net...which has nothing to do with music or sound...at all!

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