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blazerok Just Startin' 2 posts since
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Jan 19, 2011 10:25 AM

POD HD500 Routing Question.

Hi,

First of all i am new to the forum, i searched a bit for answer to this question but couldn't find anything.

 

Could anyone tell me if there is a way of using the cabinet simulations on the headphones (like the Studio/Direct ouput mode) and don't use them on the 1/4 out jacks, or the usb out?

 

I would love to do this because i want to try using my pod Hd500 modeling with IR on my computer, while still hearing a good tone when recording something (because amp without cab sounds like ****).

 

Thank you everyone!

  • tommasi Iknowathingortwo 627 posts since
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    Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM (in response to blazerok)
    Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

    The manual (section 2.5) says, about the output mode selection:

     

    "Note that this Mode setting affects the signal fed to several POD HD500 outputs: Balanced,

    Unbalanced & Phones outputs as well as USB Record Send & L6 LINK audio outputs."

    I guess there's no way to have different modes out of different outputs...
  • tommasi Iknowathingortwo 627 posts since
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    Jan 19, 2011 10:30 AM (in response to blazerok)
    Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

    ...however, there might be one solution: create a dual amp chain, pan one amp hard left, the other hard right; choose "no cab" on one of the amps. Unless you mix the signal back after the split, you'll have the "cabinet" sound on one channel, and the "uncabineted" one on the other. Still doesn't help you with the headphones nor with stereo effects, I'm afraid.

      • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
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        Jan 19, 2011 12:58 PM (in response to blazerok)
        Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

        This is a similar problem to the one where you want a Studio/Direct output for the PA desk and a voiced output for your combo as your sage monitor.  I can confirm that for that particular problem using the FX loop as the send for the Studio/Direct voicing whilst having the Combo Pwr Amp voicing coming out of the 1/4" outs (and XLRs), the FX loop does provide a good workaround, and it may do so in your situation too

        • Stemlife79 Just Startin' 32 posts since
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          Apr 11, 2012 12:34 PM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)
          Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

          How would you go about doing this Nick???

          • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
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            Apr 12, 2012 5:06 AM (in response to Stemlife79)
            Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

            Well since I wrote the post you are replying to from January 2011 I did quite a lot of digging.

             

            You cannot efficiently send a suitable signal to an on-stage guitar amp and PA and expect to get the same sound from both at the same time.

             

            What I do now know is a satisfactory and cheap solution is to use an active DI box which has its own independent cab emulation

             

            I bought a couple of Behringer Ultra GI GI100 DI boxes which offer this feature. They are about £25 GBP each, but that's a lot cheaper than the nearest competition and to be honest the speaker emulated sound does a pretty good job.

             

            So taking that approach, set up your patch with the amp block set to No Cab, stick the output of the HD500 into the DI box input, turn the DI box speaker emulation on which will take away any harshness in order to feed your PA and take a direct feed from the DI box pre speaker emulation as your no cab feed. If however you are using a traditional valve guitar amp power amp section with PRE modelling (ideally) and a standard guitar cab you can in most instances turn the HD500 cab emulation off anyway and treat the output as dry for all.  I tend to use PRE models with any real amp, but the FULL amp models should give a reasonable result when doing the same thing without the need for any DI boxes.  In other words, just let the power amp and cab handle the on-stage sound, and let your computer IRs handle cab modelling for DAW use

             

            There's a few ways you might get around the issue and they're all valid in that if they give you the desired result - job done! It's largely a matter of personal preference and opinion. I don't think there is necessarily one 'right' way

             

            Nick

  • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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    Apr 11, 2012 2:01 PM (in response to blazerok)
    Re: POD HD500 Routing Question.

    you CAN get the results you want, but not on headphones/unbalanced outputs or headphones/USB.  You can only do it on headphones/FX loop send.  And it's going to be a real #$%#$ in dealing with DSP limitations.

     

    You'll need to make a dual amp patch, with everything identical. Run all pre-amp effects before the path split.  Use the same amp, same settings.  Use Studio/Direct output mode.  On channel A, select a cab and mic.  On channel B, choose "no cab".  Any effects you want to run after the amp, you will need to use 2 of them - one in channel A and one in channel B.  This is because you have to mute channel B in the mixer, so the raw tone doesn't get sent to the headphones.  Before the mixer, put the FX loop in Channel B.  So now you have all the outputs, including headphones sending a signal with cab/mic modeling.  The FX loop is sending the same signal but without the cab/mic modeling.

     

    for more info on issues like this:

    http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/odds#output

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