JB1973 wrote:

 

You got me there, in most of my posts I stated "basically a 4 channel amp" meaning that it has 4 seperate accessible tones. I have stated many times that I was using channels meaning topology or voicings that I was not refering to A and B which is just variation of the same tone ..if you are using the amp alone and not with the podhd.

 

it is of course your choice to call the voicings channels, and try to convince yourself that it's a 4 channel amp.... but it's not.

I totally understand what you mean, but as I clearly outlined in the other thread, a lot of manufacturers (I listed the dual recto and also a marshall DSL) give you only 2 or 3 channels, and within those channels they give you different voicings.  the difference is that those other amps give you some voicings that are available on channel 1, and others that are available on channel 2 or 3... but what if you like the sound of 1 voicing and want 2 different settings for 1 voicing... you cant do it.

So along come line 6, they give you a 2 channel amp (that's how it's advertised, regardless of what some dumb store worker told you) and give you the flexibility to use any of the 4 voicings on either channel... then they also give you the ability to have a POD HD hooked up, with more amp models and extra goodies... you even have a POD HD with over 100 presets (effectively channels)... but you come back and ask for the ability to magic a 2 channel amp, into a 4 channel amp... hang on, I'm calling Mesa Engineering to ask them to make their dual recto into a 5 channel amp, as I'd rather think of their 3 channels as voicings, and their 5 voicings as channels................... Mr Boogie said no!!!

sarcasm mode off.

sorry to joke about it, but I just feel like you've taken the specs twisted them into something they're not and are now complaining they don't work the way you want.  in all honesty can you not get what you want on the channel front from the POD?  by just using 4 presets and treating it like it's controlling the amp, as the tone you get will be no different (but feel free to say it will be if you like).

Peace

Rowbi

Hi JB1973,

I am a DT50/HD500-user and over all I am - over all - very impressed on that highly sophisticated guitar-rig - still after my hoenymoon time.

I checked your patches before I wrote my question to Rowbi. My ears tell me that there is no need for dual pre amps to get the 4 original DT50-voicings.

My ears also tell me that there is no need to pan them in different ways via the mixer.  You are also using some FX-uitlities like short digital delay (ON ?!) in pre amp mode and different EQing on the pre amp models in your patches. I can't see a need for that (to achieve the original DT50 voicings with the POD/HD).

As I understand from Rowbi he recommended specific SINGLE pre amp models to get the same voicings as the DT50 while using the PD/HD. Thats what my ears tell me too. So things are may be much more easier than we are thinking: run the recommended pre amp models, choose the appropriate output setting and you should get the tone of the original T50-voicings and use the EQing like recommended on top of the DT50 as a starting point (again: this is what I am just hearing).

Another thing Rowbi says: the mentioned pre amp models are 100% identical between DT50 and POD/HD (and I assume that this is an offical Line 6 statement too). Having that said: why should there be a need for additional tweaking?

Any how: the DT50/HD-rig gives a lot of freedom to generate a variety of sounds  that satisfies every ones needs - and there could be more than one way to reach what you want.

My open question in that context is: whats is about the cab-sim/mic-sim setting? For me the answer could not be answered on a DT50-voicing base. There must be a YES or NO answer, if I refelct the discussion in that threat. (I only run the cab/mic-sims if i use the full amp models with the master volume pulled out where lower volume level is needed). Any ideas / experiences on that?

Regards.

Hi Rowbi,

I will check your recommendation again to turn the cab/mic presets on to mimic the DT50-voicings via POD/HD pre amp models.

BUT:

Currently I am running 2 sets of patches (as recommended in different threads):

1. where I can get loud (rehearsal, Live):

Pre amp models, ouptut setting: Combo Power Amp (I am using a DT50/212), no cab/mic-sim.

2. where I have "lost the battle" (at home):

Full amp models (exception: JCM800), output setting: Studio Direct, on the DT50 side: NFL I, Class A, Pentode, master volume pulled out, (mostly) recommended cab/mic-sim presets.

And up to now I really get good results toneweise with these 2 setllists. (By the way: I choosed 4 amps out of 16 and these are more or less the ones which generates the 4 DT50-voicings in a standalone mode. The only difference is the JCM800 instead of Park-75. These 4 amps are working perfect and great for me as a classic rock coverband musician).

As I said: I will give this another try and I will come back with my "ear specific" results. At the end there could be only a YES or NO answer and not a DT50-voicing based one (means: for NFL I use the XYZ-cab/mic and for the NFL IV use no cab/sim) because that DT50/HD-rig seems to be complicated but it isn't.

Regards.