Jan 27, 2011 8:45 AM
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Line 6 is brilliant.
They created a customer support forum primarily serviced by no cost, non-employees, with no customer accountability.
Occasionally a Line 6 tech shows up to chime in; but it appears to be a rare occasion. And if they do reply it has a “why are you wasting my time” feel to it. Instead Line 6 relies upon the "experts" to defend their products.
How often have you noticed a new post asking for help? The poster believing they are contacting Line 6 support directly! It's brilliant... an entire "customer service" department that costs Line 6 nothing!
The experts are very helpful and offer a wealth of information. I can envision a Line 6 corporate meeting discussing the customer service department’s budget:
Gentleman, how we can save money supporting our products?
Sir, there appears to be a group of customers who know more about our **** than we do.
How can we tap into that resource?
EXPERTS!!! Yeah that’s it; they’ll buy our stuff and then work for us for nothing!
Brilliant! And they’re in different time zones around the world! 24 hour customer support at no cost to Line 6.
Oh, but their responses are not official.
That’s OK; everything we’re working on is top secret anyway.
Experts, please continue to help these lost Line 6 customers, but do not complain about how much time you spend on these forums. A classic thread: HD500 Made me sell my Axe-Fx (clip)
http://line6.com/community/thread/45938
What a colossal waste of time.
Time for the Line 6 cheerleaders to show up!
OK,
But I don't understand the point you are trying to make?
he means that despite his disagreement with the means, Line6 or brilliant marketing experts!
I think if the Line 6 Experts were unhappy with the time they spend helping others, and not getting paid for it, they would stop posting, so I don't know what your beef is. I'm not an "Expert"(though 35 years as a guitarist, and 25 years as an audio engineer might qualify me), but I enjoy helping people get what they can out of their gear. I think the "Experts" have the same motivation. I've never read a post by them complaining about how much time they spend here, actually it amazes me how detailed and caring their responses are.(unlike yours)
BTW, if you need help from Line 6 support, you can always pick up the phone and CALL them! I'm sure it'll make you happy to know that they're paid to help you...
I agree with everything you said except for "And if they do reply it has a “why are you wasting my time” feel to it". Based on my own personal experience, the tech support personnel are really good people, they have gone out of their way to help a lot of people like myself many-many times. I would say that they are understaffed and overworked, that is why the hold times are so long if you try to call. Don’t blame them, it’s not their fault, it’s a corporate level problem.
timowens wrote:
I would say that they are understaffed and overworked, that is why the hold times are so long if you try to call. Don’t blame them, it’s not their fault, it’s a corporate level problem.
For what it's worth, I've called them twice recently and on both occassions my wait time was around 15 minutes, which I consider a reasonable wait time (maybe others don't), plus I was constantly told where I was in the queue. When they did speak to me, I didn't feel rushed by them so all in all, a pretty decent experience for me. Try calling eBay and see how well that goes.
so what you're saying is
LINE6 RULZ!!!!!
nah, i guess i agree with you about the forums. there are canned responses here and there, but I find the Line6 ppl can be really helpful for some issues. at the price point, i'll take it.
so what's your problem? you didn't mention anything concerning a line6 product. and regarding the expert users or anyone else for that matter, i don't care where or who the correct information comes from, if i have a problem with my line6 gear, i just want an answer. 99.9% of the time you get the right information from a forum member. if not, with a little patience, line6 will answer. my experience with line6 service has been excellent, from phone to forum. as far as your post, the only difficulty i see you having is with anger management. i'm sure there a forum for that too. so go there and post your comments.
I totally agree...they should be more like Boss or Digidesign support..or even digitech
I don't think these forums are primarily about technical support. They facilitate a community of people who are passionate about playing music using Line 6 equipment, and provide a means to discuss and communicate ideas and help people who may be struggling to understand or use the technology effectively.
People participate because they enjoy the discussion and are willing to spend time helping others, which most people are really appreciative about. There are different ideas and at times some disagreement, but it helps to look at things from a different perspective.
I think Line 6 should be commended for creating such an open means of discussing their products and bringing together this community.
gimme an L
gimme an I
gimme an N
gimme an E
gimme a 6
hahaha.
anyway, i agree and disagree. i think the 'experts' are VERY helpful. you should come over to the Native Instruments Guitar Rig forum, where the NI people/moderators don't give a dump about anything. i don't know if line 6's chain of thought was exactly like what you say it could be, but the whole idea of community living is just that, that you help me, and i help him, and he helps you. it's a mixture of coming around a full circle and paying it forward.
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I take full credit for creating the Expert program...thank you...thank you very much.
In all fairness though, these guys have been members of our forums for a long time, we're talking several years here, and have always been helpful and have answered literally thousands of questions for other users. All we did was give them a tag so that others that come here know that when one of the Experts answers a question, they know they can trust that source and answer.
Also, keep in mind that any of these guys can walk away at any time. Nobody is bound by any contract here. Nobody signed any papers regarding becoming an Expert. The Axe FX thread you called out was a thread created by Karl and it was meant to be a joke. If you think Karl is a cheerleader for Line 6 then think again. The only meetings we had about this program was to discuss whether or not we should reach out to Karl and ask him to become an Expert in spite of how critical he has been of Line 6 in the past. Look at his post history and see for yourself. In the end we decided that instead of censoring Karl's criticism we should LISTEN to it, embrace it, and USE it to make better products.
I'll be the first to admit that keeping up with over 200 products and having to know them in and out can be rough at times so I'm sure some of our users are on a different user level than I am with our gear.
I'm not really sure why this annoys you so much. Did you have a support problem that was never resolved? I looked in your account and don't see any Line 6 products registered nor have you ever called us under this user account. If you have an issue please let us know.
Also, thanks for the "brilliant" remark. I've neer been called brilliant. You just made my day. Thanks! ![]()
Line6Miller
P.S. On a completely off topic note, this years Super Bowl will be the first to have NO cheerleaders present as neither the Packers nor the Steelers have a cheerleading squad.
No offense to Karl, but he doesn't remotely resemble a cheerleader. ![]()
Line6Miller wrote:
P.S. On a completely off topic note, this years Super Bowl will be the first to have NO cheerleaders present as neither the Packers nor the Steelers have a cheerleading squad.
So why am I watching??
ozbadman wrote:
Line6Miller wrote:
P.S. On a completely off topic note, this years Super Bowl will be the first to have NO cheerleaders present as neither the Packers nor the Steelers have a cheerleading squad.
So why am I watching??
I'm kind of hoping Brett Favre will come running onto the field during game play naked and drunk...cell phone in hand. One can wish right? ![]()
Is there anything I can do to help me become a "Line6Expert"?
Looney brutha you ARE the expert man!![]()
OM
LoonyBin-Fizzbin wrote:
Is there anything I can do to help me become a "Line6Expert"?
yeah, I want the cool looking badge under my name as well ![]()
With all due respect - the L6 "Experts" dont seem to be much more than guys with general knowledge of Music gear in general... They can extrapolate answers based on stuff they have no firsthand knowledge of, and generally be right.
They also tend to be (it seems) the guys who buy any and everything L6 puts out. This is beneficial, in that they can answer questions about most L6 stufff, but also misleading, especailly in the case of the POD HD.... all the "experts" have the 500... no one to answer the questions about the 300 or 400, unlelss its to say "this is how the 500 acts, perhaps it is simillar on the 300/400".
I am an egotist, but I think I know more about general audio and guitar signal proccessing than most of the "experts" here, and it translates to real-world answers that work for people, rather than "reflash your firmware and/or put in a feature request".
Seems like I am getting down on the L6 Experts here... and maybe I am. They dont seem to offer any solutions beyond what L6 will tell you - reflash the firmware and cross your fingers.
I recently told a guy how to fix a purely mechanical problem with a switch... the L6 and "expert" answer was to take it in to get warranty service.... for a 3 minute job that costs nothing in parts.
I suspect I will be answering real-world questions with real-world answers for a few years, and never get that "expert" tag, even though I offer far more reasonble and practical advice.
Seriously, an L6 "expert" suggested that a guy plug the POD HD into his PC and use it as the primary sound card, EVEN WHEN NOT USING THE POD! All it takes is "the POD will have to be on and connected in order to hear anything from your PC".... seriously?
I have great respect for L6, they are FAR more forward thinking than any other MFX manufacturer... but the "experts" are nothing more than mouthpieces for L6, who will tell you all the stock answers and when that doesnt work, take it in for warranty service.
Since I can offer real-world and practical solutions for most problems... I honestly hope I NEVER get the L6 "expert" tag.
PremiumJones wrote:
They also tend to be (it seems) the guys who buy any and everything L6 puts out. This is beneficial, in that they can answer questions about most L6 stufff, but also misleading, especailly in the case of the POD HD.... all the "experts" have the 500... no one to answer the questions about the 300 or 400, unlelss its to say "this is how the 500 acts, perhaps it is simillar on the 300/400".
Marcus Ryle (top guy @ L6) has stated recently that teh HD500 is the top selling modeller in the US at the moment. I think for most people who want a POD HD, the 500 isn't actually much more money, than the 300/400... so more people are getting the 500.
experts are users too, so that holds true. but I have an HD400, spaceatl ahs an HD400. TheRealZap has an HD300, so as there's only 9 experts, it's not to different to other users favouring the HD500. I for one have answered several HD400 based questions personally, and I can also answer HD500 related Q's as I have read the manual, and know the amp modelling and most of the FX are identical.
PremiumJones wrote:
Seems like I am getting down on the L6 Experts here... and maybe I am. They dont seem to offer any solutions beyond what L6 will tell you - reflash the firmware and cross your fingers.
I recently told a guy how to fix a purely mechanical problem with a switch... the L6 and "expert" answer was to take it in to get warranty service.... for a 3 minute job that costs nothing in parts.
Since I can offer real-world and practical solutions for most problems... I honestly hope I NEVER get the L6 "expert" tag.
well sometimes a reflash actually does work. I have personally have it happen to me once, where I had some issues, re-flashed and it fixed it. so based on my own experience, that iIS a real world piece of advice.
on the footswitch thing, I've personally had a previous X3L apart, and the mechanical mart of the switch isn't that simple. if an engineer or a mechanic wanted to fix a switch, I'd say go for it, but otherwise, the risk of screwing it up, and at the same time making your warranty on a brand new pedal void, I'd still stick to the sensible real world solution of get it serviced by line 6.
just my 2 pence worth.
PremiumJones wrote:
Since I can offer real-world and practical solutions for most problems... I honestly hope I NEVER get the L6 "expert" tag.
lol...
don't knock it until you've tried it... ha ha.
Message was edited by: Rowbi
Your advise might help some folks but I wish I had a quarter for every so called DIY'er that screwed up a warranteed product and than made it harder for a pro to fix...let alone more expensive than it would need to be for the company covering the unit...and I would have to say....reflashing really does solve a multitude of problems that I've come across and fixed on my units based on having updated and than had something go wrong. Also have to mention...I've been helped several times by the "Experts". I don't usually post much ..but I do recall some of their handles from interacting with them over the years. Your assessment of them isn't really fair..ask anyone they've helped! I should correct that statement ....ask anyone who wants help...instead of just blowing off steam...and realizes that not every problem can be solved online even with the best intentions. ![]()
Switch issue 1 of many
Switch issue 2.... ect
And many "experts" here have given similar advice...
But most questions are for gear that is still under warrantee.... so its always best to ask this prior to suggesting a Pod autopsy.
the odd part is, i notice the experts, etc continually repeating and stating that they're not employees and redirecting anyone who would be better served by fillin gout a form or making a call to do so and also provides the information for it.
Honestly, I'm not seeing the problem
Haha
I just realized what a colossal waste of time it was to read zim's little rant...
Anyone...who has ever dealt with any company regarding tech issues...will readily find that Line 6 stands well above the norm....
A phone call away...but it's nice to be able to have all these guys with hands on skills being so helpful on the forums....
I personally have been part of the forums for many years...and when the "new " forum was brought into life...I wasn't as active due to health issues..
And I'm delighted to be part of this group again...and In my opine...the best tech forum for any product out there...
I think it's more of a human kindness...more than "getting paid" for helping out other users...
And....if you have been fortunate enough to be one of the top "experts", which I have been in the past....there are perks that money can't buy....
Give me a T- R- O- L- L...what's that spell?
Proud Cheerleader for L6
OM
Give me a T- R- O- L- L...what's that spell?
Yep. First post ever. Hasn't come back to follow up. No questions asked. General diatribe. T-R-O-L-L indeed.
Line 6 Cheerleaders, with POD's that look great from a distance on HD tv.... ![]()
Other than the occasional dumbassed question, I've never needed Line 6 Support and I've been a customer since the AX2 - that is until about a week ago when my HD500 started powering itself off/on at random. The process was handled beyond my expectations; instead of a repair, I'm getting a new Pod simply by asking. Very pleasant people to deal with on the phone and online as well. If I wasn't pleased with the way they handled things, I wouldn't be a "cheerleader" since product satisfaction is only part of the bigger picture, but I'm giving credit where it's very much deserved.
Hmmm, no cheerleaders at this Super Bowl? Now I'm really gonna have to rethink watching it....
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