Mr_Arkadin wrote:

 

 

And in this one statement you impart your true experience and knowledge, yeah the Virus destroys real analogue.

 

And what is that experience and knowledge of mine?  You think you even have a clue?

Yup, virus kills analog synths.   An example of modeling analog perfectly but going beyond with algorithms that impart an even thicker and smoother timbre to the sound than what a real analog synthesizer can do.

Before you open your mouth to speak, make sure you know you are even talking about. Otherwise you will be made to appear an amateur as you have just displayed here.

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

 

FarBeyond3 wrote:

The only way you can surpass the sound of even an Axe FX 1 is by recording in a real pro studio through proper gear AND with the right engineer. 

 

So even a novice, when recording with an Axe-Fx, is going to produce results superior to everything else out there?  Nice try.

 

Please do not put words in my mouth.  And please do not misstate my position.  If you take two people with the same level of engineering, lets say - just graduated from a technical institute in sound - (like I did by the way), or even the same person, I stated that their results will sound better with an Axe FX 1 to a converter than if they would mic up the amp through entry level pres, entry level EQs, and entry level compressors in a home basement with questionable acoustical treatment/isolation.   And I even clarified in other words that  the same person or persons, with the same knowledge would need to go to a world class recording studio if they want to get better results than the Axe FX.     But since most music these days is home-basement produced, then I would say that it is a no brainer that the Axe FX is an essential tool to have.

 

 

Novices have been able to provide perfectly sucky recorded tones with the Axe-Fx time and time again.  And with the POD.  And with real gear.

And that only helps prove my point.  Semi professionals with at least the basics in studio recording nailed down were implied by the topic of my discussion.   As many people are achieving this level of getting some skill at the recording and input gain staging.   Its not rocket science and anyone can learn it.   But it don't matter. Its irrelevant as I am referring to the same so called subject under these different scenarios (or two subjects with the same skills and knowledge. Give one a home basement with a couple real amps and cabs, a couple dynamic mics, some ART or entry level dbx recording gear, and the other an Axe FX and I bet you any money in the world the Axe FX -equipped will be the clear winner. Even a Line 6 Pod X3 or HD Direct might prove victorious too!   To surpass these hard facts, you would need to put the subject into a world class recording facility with Neves, SSLs, Pultecs, Tube Techs, Studer Tape machines, superior acoustical rooms, Prism orpheus converters etc, etc. 

This is also why its so obvious what one would elect to use live if they were aware of this.   I would even prefer a Line 6 Pod X3 or HD to use live at a venue rather than somebody miking up my cabs - any day of the week. I would feel insulted if a live audio person assumed he knew what mic placement for my cab is best, or what EQ curve works for my rig sound.   If they would try insisting to the contrary and disregarding my preference for such Direct Inject, then I would push the open end of a beer bottle through their eye.

i thought you were gone. what are you trying to say? what are you trying to prove? we already know you're better at everything than anyone else. and you are still attacking people's intellect. when will you learn.

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FarBeyond3 wrote:

 

You have problems man and you are trying to spread them to me.  Who are you to ask whether I am gone.   I came back for more updates to see if the HD rack is coming out.  I come when i want.  And if i spot fallacies, I point them out to fellow members who might be in question about the issues.

Wow the cheek of saying other people have problems. Obviously what happened is you got bored not being able to troll on the Axe FX forum (you'd be kicked immediately) so came here to troll it up again. As with so many things in life, I find those that shout the loudest often have the least knowledge. I bought my first analogue synth back in 1981 and have been buying ever since (and yes I have some digital and software synths too). They all have their place which is why comments like Synth A is better than Synth B is the stuff of playgrounds. But then that's the level we've come to expect of you.

And as to the amateur comment, I think we all know who the amatuer around here is and the idea of you telling anyone here they 'blow' (how old were you again?) at rational thought is incredulous. Keep it coming, I need a good laugh. Pity they don't teach common sense or manners on your sound engineering course (sorry I guess that's not the name of the course as you don't make engines!)

FarBeyond3 wrote:

 

I would even prefer a Line 6 Pod X3 or HD to use live at a venue rather than somebody miking up my cabs - any day of the week. I would feel insulted if a live audio person assumed he knew what mic placement for my cab is best, or what EQ curve works for my rig sound.   If they would try insisting to the contrary and disregarding my preference for such Direct Inject, then I would push the open end of a beer bottle through their eye.

I pity the live sound guys at your gigs.  Why do you even hire them?  Your preference of using a modeler live vs real cabs is just a personal preference, but you've clearly got some kind of chip on your shoulder if you're going to ignore the experience of your live sound engineer at your shows.

I let those guys do what they do best, because that's why I've paid them money to do it.  Then I worry about doing what I do best.  Knowing them as I do, they're probably wishing that same beer bottle on your eye too.  If your live sound engineer isn't working out for you, fire them and hire someone who knows their stuff.

Mr_Arkadin wrote:

 

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

 

Dude, nobody in this thread said the Axe-Fx sucks, or that it's not particularly useful.  You don't need to justify your purchase to us.  You are preaching to the choir.  I know first hand that the Axe-Fx is great gear.

 

I am going to assume FB3 is still quite young or not world-experienced yet as all his arguments are absolutes. The Axe is better than any other modeller, heck it's better than the real thing. The Virus is better than real analogue. As I said previously - and as Karl has stated here - nothing is invalidated by something else. If I thought the HD sounded better than the Axe does that invalidate the Axe and its users? Of course not. If I buy the Virus is that the only synth I'll ever want or need. Of course not - every synth sounds different, have different uses, excel at different things. It's all about the differences. Differences are good - it stops us all sounding the same. Absolutes show a closed or naive mind. Try opening it up to all possibilities. Even if something claims to be industry standard (a dubious term at best) there's nothing wrong with doing something different, unique.

 

Oh, and just for the record I have worked professionally for nearly 25 years in British broadcast television. I am freelance. This means I rely on two things: a) my knowledge and b) my attitude. If I was hired for a job and gave your attitude you can bet I might get hired a second time, but by the third time they'll be looking at another freelancer. If you want your career to last then you need to learn to accommodate everyone - even people you disagree with or even overtly dislike. There's a world out there, and it doesn't give a **** what you think or who you are when you need to get a job done.

What they said.

Did I hear someone say Cliff?

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