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LwangaBasudde Just Startin' 8 posts since
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Mar 17, 2010 11:28 PM

Diminished barre chords?

Hey,

 

I usually play most of my rhythm with barre chords.  Unfortunately, I have not found or discovered a true diminished barre chord!  If the rest of you have it in your arsenal or chops, could you share your insights?  I would love to transition between keys with some diminished barre chord form, but, alas, it has been more than elusive!  An exasperated to the nth degree guitarist in Iowa seeks your help!

 

Thanks,

 

Lwanga Basudde

  • ANDREASGTR Just Startin' 18 posts since
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    Mar 26, 2010 5:32 AM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
    Re: Diminished barre chords?

    Hi ! What is your definition of  "true" ? Anyway, if you talk about dim7 chords (1 b3 b5 bb7) you can try it like this: 1st finger the whole 1st fret(barre),second finger on A string 2nd fret,3nd finger on D string 3rd fret,4th finger on B string 3rd fret.Any note can be the root.I remind you this is just a shape as you asked.Hope it helps!

    • kshri Just Startin' 5 posts since
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      Apr 26, 2010 5:50 PM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
      Re: Diminished barre chords?

      You're confused...

       

      First, ask yourself... what is a chord?

       

      Next, ask yourself, what is a dimished chord?

       

      If you can't answer that, then you should review it at this point.

       

      A dimished chord consists of 1 b3 b5. Any chord can be turned into a dimished chord. ie a major chord can be turned into a dimished chord by lowering the third and the fifth of the major chord by a half step.

       

       

      Now, I'll let you in on a little secret:

       

      Barre chords are more difficult to form and more labour intensive and create left hand fatigue (ie the famous burning pain in your index finger running up your forearm) rather quickly. Anytime you can get away by not using a barre chord, do it.

       

      You are mistaken in believing that no "true" dimished barre chord can be achieved on  the guitar. There are ONLY 3 particular SHAPES for a dimished chord on the guitar. Only 3. Each shape depends on what string the root of the dimished chord begins on.


      This shape would be the easiest to form a barre chord on and shift through different inversions:

       

      E 3

      B 2

      G 3

      D 2

      A x

      E x

       

      Now, the usual LH placement starting highest to lowest would be: 4 2 3 1

       

      But try this flavour instead: Form a barre using your index finger starting on the 4th string, NOT the 6th string. Then simply add your 2nd finger and your 3rd finger above to form the dimished chord starting on the 4th string.

       

      One other thing: since you said you were a pianist,  the LH fingers I gave you are on guitar, NOT piano. This is how fingering works for the guitar (if you didn't knwo already): your index is 1, your middle is 2, your ring is 3, your pinky is 4.

       

       

      When you make a barre chord, a LOT of people make the mistake of using their index finger across ALL the strings, even when they don't need to be. This is a huge mistake in the economy of motion.

       

      Hope that helps you out a bit

  • kshri Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    Apr 26, 2010 10:24 PM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
    Re: Diminished barre chords?

    I'm a classical guitarist.

     

    I did my undergraduate degree in classical guitar performance.

     

    So I have a few things to teach here and there

     

    Barre chords almost never needed to be used, you can get away all the time without using them.

     

    I'm sorry, but you can't deny that using a barre chord takes more energy than not using one. MANNNnnnnyyyy people give up guitar for this reason alone, because it takes too much effort to have all the strings sound without getting caught underneath the flesh of your finger when you are first starting the instrument.

     

    My theory knowledge is pretty standard language, I'm a performer first and foremost.

      • kshri Just Startin' 5 posts since
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        Apr 27, 2010 9:49 AM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
        Re: Diminished barre chords?

        Barre chords are one of the first steps towards playing guitar, just like when you learn chords on a piano.

         

        I have no prejudice about barre chords, don't be ridiculous. Barre chords are simply a means to an end.

         

        But you don't see their shortcomings, and that's why you're an amateur.

        • ANDREASGTR Just Startin' 18 posts since
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          Apr 27, 2010 2:57 PM (in response to kshri)
          Re: Diminished barre chords?

          With all respect gentlemen,there is a difference between a diminished chord(1 b3 b5)and a dim7 (1 b3 b5 bb7).The diminished seventh is the one that has 3 shapes or actually the same shape in 3 positions because this chord has no inversion(meaning any note can be the root).Because the chord has 4 notes, it takes 3 positions to cover the 12 notes of an octave.So far,so good.

          It's up to me as a player or composer to use the low E and A strings,and that's when I'll probably use the barre shape,I suggested.Different shapes are for different voicings and noone can forbid me to try new positions.A barre chord doesn't actually make you an amateur or professional if the sound you make is actually what are you going for.Try anything you can find and that goes for scales and more.Be inspired!!!

  • theloniousmink Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    Jul 5, 2011 10:26 AM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
    Re: Diminished barre chords?

    I know this is an old post, but I think these are the chords you're looking for:

     

    ROOTED ON E-STRING:

    Gdim, with half-dim 7

    String:     E   A  D  G  B  E

    Fret:       3   4   5   3   6   3

     

    Gdim, with fully-dim 7

    String:     E   A  D  G  B  E

    Fret:       3   4   5   3   5   3

     

    ROOTED ON A-STRING:

    Cdim, with no 7

    String:     E   A  D  G  B  E

    Fret:       2   3   4   X   4   2

     

     

    (BTW, kshri, I'm a bass player and it took me all of two minutes to figure these chords out. You should quit. Go work at Guitar Center where your pretentious know-nothing know-it-all attitude will be appreciated by your peers. Leave performance to the pros.)

  • Bluestone Iknowathingortwo 1,202 posts since
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    Jul 5, 2011 1:12 PM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
    Re: Diminished barre chords?

    A diminished chord can be named after any note in the chord. Look  closely at the notes of the chord and you will see that the notes when  you play the chord on the 4th fret are the same as when you play the  chord on the 1st fret (i.e. they are the same chord) so all you need are  the 3 chord shapes shown on this post to be able to play all the  diminished chords.

     

     

    side the whole chord shape up one fret it looks like this and will be called E dim, Bb dim, C# dim or G dim.

    Diminished Guitar Chords 2

    If you slide the shape up one more fret it will be F dim, B dim, D dim, Ab dim.

    Diminished Guitar Chords 3

    Diminished Guitar Chords 2

    If you slide the shape up one more fret it will be F dim, B dim, D dim, Ab dim.

    Diminished Guitar Chords 3

    And finally, sliding it up one more fret it will be Eb dim, A dim, C dim, F# dim.

     

     

    OM

  • Ax3M4n Just Startin' 127 posts since
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    Aug 31, 2011 12:50 PM (in response to LwangaBasudde)
    Re: Diminished barre chords?

    Yeah... you don't need a barre chord. They are easier than barre chords - so why do you want one?

     

    To make it into a barre chord you would need to alter the open tuning. Go figure. You might get some nice sounds. Never tried it though.

     

    You could tune your guitar to an open dim 7. That could be interesting I suppose.

     

    No go and listen to Rain Song by Led Zep    That'll take your mind off it.

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