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Marcus67 Just Startin'
Marcus67
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Aug 7, 2011 7:01 AM

Not bypassing properly?

On the POD HD500 I'm getting a problem with my 'start' sound not being what my amp sounds like which seems a bit odd.

 

If I flick over to the tuner, I get the sound of my amp (warm, full, lovely) then I flick back to a 'New Tone' setting where no amp or effect has been selected at all, the sound is suddenly thin, weedy and actually a fair bit quieter than when the tuner is on.

 

I want my amp (Boogie Lonestar) to be the basis for the majority of my sounds. I want to be able to add effects and occasionaly use one of the amp settings probably for solo stuff.

 

Am I doing something wrong in the set up? I've set the global output setting to 'Combo Front' but I can't see anything else I should be doing.

 

Help please!

 

Thanks

 

Marcus

  • gregr Iknowathingortwo
    gregr
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    Aug 7, 2011 10:35 AM (in response to Marcus67)
    Re: Not bypassing properly?

    If I had a Lonestar, I would most certainly be using the four-cable method with the output setting configured as either Stack Power Amp or Combo Power Amp (or Studio, provided you disable cabinet modeling).

     

    Guitar -> HD500 Guitar In

    HD500 FX Send -> Lonestar Input

    Lonestar Send -> HD500 FX Return

    HD500 Unbalanced Output (either one) -> Lonestar Return

     

    When connected like this, the FX block will contain your Lonestar's preamp.

     

    You will need to adjust levels (FX block, Master Level and external switches on the HD500; applicable controls on your Lonestar) for optimal results.  This will vary from amp to amp.  Also you'll likely want to set Input 1 for Guitar and Input 2 for Variax in the Setup: Input Options.

  • ozbadman Gear Head
    ozbadman
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    Aug 7, 2011 9:58 AM (in response to Marcus67)
    Re: Not bypassing properly?

    "New Tone" still has a mixer so your mixer settings are probably lower than what Line 6 uses when in Tuner bypass. If the output is lower than the output level in bypass, this will not only affectg the volume, but will also affect the tone as it's the level that is driving your amp. You could try increasing the mixer levels in "New Tone" until they match the sound you get out when in tuner bypass, then save this as "new Tone" and replace all your "New Tone" patches. Or, you could leave it as is, increase the preamp gain on your Amp, and use the tuner in mute mode.

    • Marcus67 Just Startin'
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      Aug 7, 2011 10:18 AM (in response to ozbadman)
      Re: Not bypassing properly?

      Thanks also. I guess it may simply be that the lower volume is making it sound "weedier". Will try this too. Cheers.

      • gregr Iknowathingortwo
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        Aug 9, 2011 11:21 AM (in response to Marcus67)
        Re: Not bypassing properly?

        Assuming you were running one of the HD500 unbalanced outputs into the front of your amp, setting the output to combo front will definitely alter your tone beyond that caused by a simple change in level.

         

        Back to my "most certainly" comment about using 4CM with the Lonestar:

         

        If you want to use the Lonestar preamp exclusively and use the HD500 for effects only and have them only after the Lonestar preamp you would run 3CM:

        Guitar ->Lonestar Input

        Lonestar Send -> HD500 FX Return

        HD500 Unbalanced Output (either one) -> Lonestar Return

         

        If you want to simply use your Lonestar as a slave to the HD500 the you would run 2CM:

        Guitar -> HD500 Guitar In

        HD500 Unbalanced Output (either one) -> Lonestar Return

         

        If you want to use the HD500 as effects only and want to place them before the Lonestar preamp you would run this 2CM:

        Guitar -> HD500 Guitar In

        HD500 Unbalanced Output (either one) -> Lonestar Input

        ..but still keep the output setting as either combo power amp, stack power amp or studio

         

        4CM gives you the ability to run effects on either side of the Lonestar preamp and allow you to run HD500 preamp or full amp models in place of the Lonestar preamp, if you so choose.

  • Line6Don Line 6 Support
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    Aug 9, 2011 10:05 AM (in response to Marcus67)
    RE: Not bypassing properly?

    Hey Marcus67,

       

      gregr has provided you with all of the possible setups you could use with your HD500 and your Lonestar.

       

      I only have one thing to add, when using the 2 cable method:

       

      Guitar -> HD500 Guitar In

       

      HD500 Unbalanced Output (either one) -> Lonestar Input

       

      You could use combo front and then make sure to set the lows and highs to flat so that it does not roll of the bass and high response. Then use focus control to set it somewhere between 125-400 HZ to thicken up the low end. These tone controls are at the end of the signal chain and have a great impact on the overall tone, I would suggest adjusting these to get the sound you want before you move on with any kind of FX or Amp modeling.

    • Marcus67 Just Startin'
      Marcus67
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      Aug 10, 2011 1:12 AM (in response to Line6Don)
      Re: RE: Not bypassing properly?

      Great. Thanks all.

    • Marcus67 Just Startin'
      Marcus67
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      Aug 15, 2011 12:45 AM (in response to Line6Don)
      Re: RE: Not bypassing properly?

      I've finally had a chance to try out these options. The 4CM method really does work and the theory of replacing the Lonestar preamp with the HD500 preamps is a good one (logically).

       

      However, one simple change in the 2CM (Guitar > Guitar In > HD 500 Unbalanced Out > Lonstar Input) works just as well. Simply setting the output to Combo Power Amp (one more turn of the knob!) brings the big, warm sound of the Lonestar shining through. It does mean that Lonestar sound pervades everything i.e. if you add the Bogner preamp to the chain you're getting a mixture of Bogner and Lonestar but that is actually quite a good thing!

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