Not aware of that - thanks for the info. I was practicing with my Church earlier this week and thought to myself, "my guitar tone sounds great. Why change it?" So, I may stick with the 600 and look at getting a newer VAX down the road a bit. Afterall, I am wondering how much better are the sounds of the modeled guitars in the new VAX vs. the old one. 4 times the processing power does not necessarily equate to 4 times the sound quality (although I hope it does for their sake). I like the features of the newer VAX, especially the alt tuner on the fly and the mag pick ups. So, we shall see. Perhaps it was meant to be and I will get this new toy, but if not, I am truly happy with the 600.
Hi Everyone. I have started my own forum entitled Neal's JTV Forum. I will also be adding this forum to the official http://tylervariax.com website once I get some rules and other bits worked out with Rich. I would never wish to do anything that might have negative repercussions towards the company or especially Rich R.
With that said - I can tell you from a hands on personal experience owning two electric model 700s and using them exclusively for the past four years performing live every week and in my recording studio. This new JT Variax has MUCH BETTER sounds. Some sounds are more significantly improved than others in my opinion, but all are certainly noticeably better, more authentic to the guitar each was modeled from. Most improved (again in my opinion) are the acoustic models. Not only the tones on all acoustic models are 1000% better, but the playability is 100% improved.
One of the biggest complaints that I have read over the past two years from other Vax owners is that the acoustic modeled sounds are not authentic enough, etc. The first thing I found from asking questions of those making the complaints is how they played the guitar in general? What thickness of pick were they using? How hard or lightly were they playing the guitar when trying to emulate an acoustic. What I found most common - was all those complaining were playing the acoustic patches the same way they would play an electric model. With the non-JTV Vaxs including the Acoustic Vax - this IS a very big thing in getting the guitars electronics to respond as closely to the guitars being modeled. Most were hitting the string too hard and playing with picks much too rigid for these acoustic models. Play lighter, use thinner picks and your acoustic models will sound quite a bit better. Keep those heavier strums or picking spots for just the accents the song might require.
Now with the new JT Vax line of improved models - you can skip what I just wrote and play the electric guitar in acoustic mode like you would actually play and acoustic guitar that has thicker strings and much more dynamic responses to the players picking or strumming techniques. I still do not recommend playing any acoustic model like you would an electric model, but the most amazing bit of the improved acoustic models that I have found is the string "reactiveness" or "response" to even the slightest dynamic change. I've even strummed all the models 6 & 12 string as if I were actually playing one of my real acoustic guitars and the response is so near exact it truly is amazing.
Not to continue and take too much more room here, but if you are most interested in any of the JTV models because of the need for a better sound, you will be thrilled, or at the very least...extremely satisfied that all the claims and hype about this improved modeling due to significantly improved CPU processing power is not salesmanship or BS - it is a FACT!!
I hope this info helps anyone waiting or thinking of making a purchase.
I will repost this on my forum as well. Neal's JTV Forum and perhaps I'll be able to post this on the official TylerVariax.com website. I believe that this info should be known by as many potential JTV buyers from a regular guy in the trenches on top of all the other famous people who have had a chance to play one of these new guitars.
Thanks for all of that. It makes me want to go out and get the new VAX. I would still like to hear the 2 (old and new) side by side for the sake of objectivity, but I agree with what you are saying about the acoustic sounds. Despite my best efforts, they still do not sound "acoustic" - that said, I think they suffice for the style of music I play (praise band, contemporary, progressive rock). From what I have seen in the videos posted, the new VAX appears to have some real advantages. So, it appears that I will likely try to sell my 600 and put that fundage towards the JTV. Question though, does the playability really differ from the 600 (on the korean models - I've no doubt the US models probably do)? I am interested, as I am sure many of my counterparts here are, about the action, fit, and finish of the korean models. Again, thanks for the input... very helpful... keep us posted with any more info you have/get about this. I think those of us with the 300,500,600,and700 feel excited but a little apprehensive.
You're welcome and I hope it helps in the decision process.
I have long time ago put in a request to "test drive" a Korean model 89 just for some of the reason you were asking about. I wish I could give you specific answers, but I can say with athority that these Korean versio are being produced in the same Worl Music Factory that all the PRS Custom model guitars are also being produced. I have played a few of those PRS models and they are built very well with a great attention to detail and craftsmanship. Whomever is in charge of quality control at the factory seems to certainly have a good handle on things based on the PRS guitars I've touched.
I'll be posting all relevent findings and test results on ym forum Neal's JTV Forum and then I will be adding some or all of those posting to the official Variax website http://tylervariax.com
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2011 5:43 AM (in response to MerlinFL)Re: Neal's JTV Forum - comparisons
Thanks for posting these comparisons. Something to bear in mind in any of the comparisons between a JTV 59 and a Strat are the different construction and tonewoods involved. Acousically, these guitars are very different. Basically, with the same pickups and strings, a les paul (mahogany body with a maple cap and mahogany neck with rosewood or ebony 'board) will not sound exactly like a strat (alder body with a maple neck and rosewood or maple 'board). All that said, Line 6 has done an incredible job of getting the tones of their modeled guitars about as close as possible to the "real thing."
I think the point of these modeled guitars, amps and effects is not how much they sound (or don't) exactly like "the real thing," but the fantastic flexibility they have created for any guitarist. For the many of us who need to get as close to the original recording as possible when performing, Line 6 has provided an elegant solution. I do not care to carry 12 guitars to a gig and take a chance that my favorite will get stolen because someone thinks I have "enough" guitars already and wouldn't miss one.
If you can only afford to get one guitar and haven't settled on a strat, or les paul, or ricky or gretsch, Line 6 provides you with an opportunity to get something very close to all of those sounds in one instrument. Chances are, you will eventually get the real guitar(s) you want - someday. As to price, these guitars (the Korean version) are one of the best values out there. Yes, you can get a strat for $400 and a lp for $500 or less, but then you only have one guitar. Even if you bought three guitars for $1200, you would still miss out on all the other tones in a Variax.
Anyway, thanks again for the comparisons. Very helpful.
I have a JTV-59 and love it!
I originally wrote this as a suggestion for someone who had his Line 6 Vetta II amp die and not be able to be repaired because EVERYTHING about them is discontinued by Line 6. I thought I'd start a simple posting for ANY users to learn that there are other options that line 6 might not mention in a tech support situation, or even want too many people to know about since it would cut seriously into the company's amp sales.
Another way to get the same sounds without using a (insert ANY amp/pedalboard combination here from ANY manufacturer) is by using the POD FARM software with an inexpensive laptop you can bring to your gigs or the recording studio. The software is not that expensive but has ALL the amps, cabs, FX, minus the physical amp. I KNOW this DOES WORK in live situations as well as amazing in the studio.
You need the following equipment...
(1) laptop running Windows XP or higher.......or a comparable MAC
(1) Line 6 Shortboard MKII which will connect to your laptop by a USB cable
------for the power/speaker section------
(1) ANY tube or solid state powered speaker with your choice of 10 inch or 12 inch speakers. The preamp front part of ANY guitar amp is NOT needed. Just the power section and a working FX loop RETURN input.
or even simpler...
(1) cheap but minimum 200w total (100w x 2) power amp
(1) your choice from a Marshall 4x12 cab to whatever one or pair of cabinets you like the sound of that fits your budget.
the output from the laptop can be from a STEREO 1/8 inch HEADPHONE jack cable on one end to TWO 1/4 inch plugs on the other end for stereo signals - OR - an adapter available that converts USB to a stereo audio signal.
Once you've got everything starting with the laptop and POD FARM 2.0 or higher download as many of the patches created by Line 6 AND some patches created by users like myself from this download sections for FREE!!
This even looks pretty cool with the laptop facing the audience as you can see some of the changes you might cause with the pedalboard happen on the laptop screen that the audience can also see. This has gotten me MANY comments on what I was using that got all the variety of sounds I played from just one guitar. The only thing that would make this set up better is a Variax guitar.
I hope this gives anyone reading this posting other options and perhaps some choices might not thought of, but work extremely well once you learn how it hooks up and spent some time playing around with the preset sounds in the POD FARM software to creating your own amp or DUAL AMP patches.
If you need any help putting something like this together, please feel free to write to me.
Best of luck,
PS - I'd also like to know if any at Line 6 has ever discussed this set up as an alternative to any of there amplifier products?