Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2011 4:37 AM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
most likely they thought to take what is most popular and biggest selling to attract the most customers.
prs is as you say a botique guitar. most people have probably never had the chance totry one let alone the cash to buy one. aslo while playability is an attraction the bottom line is all the features you mentioned dont come with the variax. the the neck the color etc etc stay with the prs and you get the sound ...maybe. again you emphasize its visual stunningness your not gonna get that on the variax.
i think there point was to moddle the most wanted guitars. to attract the most customers. after all most buyers will not have your experience and in alot of cases your ammount of talent.. believe it or not this was brought up more than once in the renkin forum. before the jtv was made.
i have to say that the danelectro is one of my favorite patches on the variax list.
probably my least favorite would be the coral sitar.. only because i have no use for it.
honestly these days with all the distortion and shreading.... one model would have been plenty in my opinion.
thats my 2c worth
Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2011 8:40 AM (in response to amx05462)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
Thank you for your $0.02 on this, Great One.
By way of explanation: The reason I am not fond of the Dano model is exactly because it is such an accurate rendition of the real thing! Maybe it's the way I set the controls on Danelectro, but I could never get them to sound as warm and smooth as I like. My opinion has to do with the characteristics of the guitar being modeled, and is not related to the quality of the emulation, itself. In that regard, I believe Line 6 got it right (again).
[OK, I can't resist slipping in this jab: If only Line 6 instruments lived up to the standards set by their modeling and amp execution!]
Even though I commented on the visually stunning aspect of the PRS, it's funny that my personal favorite guitars from my equipment locker are pretty well the plainest ones... my 2 favorite Stratocasters and my Les Paul Studios. Yes, I do have eye candy, but in the instance of my Custom Shop Gibson ES-137, the sound exceeds even the aesthetic beauty of the instrument itself. [Another sidde note: Gibson Custom Shop does not automatically guarantee a really superior guitar... but they do produce more of them as a percentage of their total production, IMO.]
My blue Variax 700 was an extremely attractive instrument, but, as I have said previously, it is not my policy to retain "legacy" instruments for which parts and service are no longer readily available. In general, I agree with you, however, that the sonic functionality of the guitar is more important than the other stuff.
Come to think of it, I don't know if I could bring myself to show up in public or in church with a guitar that screams "MONEY IS HERE" like the PRS.
Thank you for sharing your comments and observations.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2011 6:43 AM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
well that was the best opinion i could give for 2 c i agree on the modeling amp comment personally i like the vox ones myself hopefully i wont get banned for mentioning vox. im sure someone will come along and mention upgrading to a jtv in a moment.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2011 6:18 AM (in response to JellyWheat)RE: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
Thanks for getting in contact with us regarding your feedback. However, for your feedback to get to the right people, it needs to be added to our product feedback database, which can be done here:
We take your feedback very seriously and appreciate the time you take to help us better serve you with better quality products.
Line 6 Customer Service
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2011 3:03 PM (in response to laplayantonio)Re: RE: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
just curious cant you just pop it over there?
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2011 5:43 PM (in response to laplayantonio)Re: RE: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
I was not so much providing Line 6 with my god-like feedback as I was trying to stimulate a discussion on how your company chooses candidates for emulation and why PRS is not among them. Lord knows you model a bunch of esoteric, very high-end boutique amplifiers, some of which I had never heard of until I got my XTLive (and I have been playing guitar professionally since 1971).
Since I don't know very much about that brand of guitar, I wanted to find out from the tone monsters in the Forum whether or not PRS guitars sound different enough to warrant emulation, or whether they are just another pretty boutique face on the same old sounds.
That is why I am not migrating this thread to the feedback loop, FYI.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 14, 2011 10:00 PM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
I shime a bit too late but here is my POV of Variax 500 owner/user since 2003: Line6 has not modeled a PRS nor any modern guitar because it wouldn't suit the overall "voicing" of the Vax (which is rather dark and warm, in order to tame some "piezo" characteristics which would be annoying otherwise).
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2011 2:41 AM (in response to frenchfries)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
Thank you for your opinion, mon ami!
I spent a while playing a PRS CE24 through a Soldano amp yesterday... I can't say that I recognized any distinctive "PRS sounds" emanating from it. It was versatile, extremely well-crafted (but no better than my Variav 700, to be quite honest) and the control setup was a bit idiosyncratic, but - other than that - it did not pruduce a recognizable, unique timbre like a Tele, Gretsch, or P-90 equipped guitar do.
I can better appreciate now why Line 6 chose not to model this particular guitar. It was not any brighter than a Tele or a Stratocaster, but neither was it distinctly different from them. I must say, however, that it would be a real player if set up correctly (which this used specimen was not!).
Thanks for weighing in to the discussion.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2011 12:33 PM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
Yes, I understand. You're totally right in your explanations and you make me realize that I haven't been so clear in my previous post. Let's try to reword it...
If the Variax models tend to be dark, it's not a problem for us users because...
1) some vintage guitars like those modeled in the Vax are actually dark too (not all of them: I've recently repaired an early L Series Strat whose pu's were still extremely bright, while another L series owned by a friend of mine sounds much darker);
2) anyway, we, users, can't compare the Vax models to the real things, most of the time, because owners of vintage guitars are pretty rare. For example, the two L series mentioned above are the only ones that I've been authorized to play these last 30 years.
On the contrary, a modern guitar could be directly compared to the Vax model - and those who ignore the influence of cable capacitance on tones, for example, would then conclude than the Vax modeling is not faithful...
IOW, there's 2 benefits in the fact to model only vintage guitars:
1) those who can't touch the real thing can at least play a satisfying copy;
2) those who are anal with their tone but who don't understand technical parms have less chances to be frustrated by Line6 since they generally don't own real vintage models to compare with the Vax...
I don't know if this explanation is clever or if it's totally stupid but it apparently translates what I was trying to say.
Regards (and thx a lot for your efforts to write in French, my friend).
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2011 1:38 PM (in response to frenchfries)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
[Il n'y a pas de quoi, car je suis Québecois, de la Ville même !]
You explanation makes sense to me, and is an angle I had not thought of. I am one of the fortumate ones who has owned or still owns the majority of the guitars modelled by the Variax, and I feel qualified, therefore, to give the models very high marks not only for their sonic accuracy, but also for their playing characteristics.
For example, I find that - for finger style stuff, anyway - your right-hand touch with P-90s can deliver many more nuances than with PAF humbuckers, whose dynamics are much less sensitive, IMO. One of the reasons I happen to like the more modern 490R/498T Gibson humbuckers is that they have a certain "liveliness" the vintage ones lack. They are, as their ads tout, more "Touch Sensitive"...
I know from your post that you appreciate what I am trying to say, although I am not sure somebody who has never played genuine PAF humbuckers would...
Because the vintage pickups were hand wound, and had quite large variances in their number of turns, their sounds are nort consistent, as you so aptly point out : this gives Line 6 a certain "fudge factor" or "marge de maoeuvre" with their models' authenticity. Single coils demonstrate a wider range of variance than humbuckers simple because they have fewer windings to dilute the effect of the over- or under- winding. It makes the "definitive" sound harder to nail down to one spot on the deck.
You are also one of the uncommon folks who recognize that - when discussing old pickups - cable length has a much bigger effect on the sound coming out of the amp because those pickups were not as "hot" as their modern counterparts. They are more susceptible to signal strength attenuation as a function of cable length...
Maybe this makes it more atteactive for Line 6 to emulate the old classics, for all the good reasons you have mentioned, rather than trying to copy the unique, but more easily-referenced, sounds of modern boutique instruments. Many people will have no objective knowledge as to whether those algorithms are good or bad, again, as you have pointed out before me!
[Thank you for participating in this thread. It is nice to talk about something other than where is located the answer to a question that has been asked a hundred times before, if one would only take the trouble to look it up!]
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2011 8:27 PM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
just a thought.
could be when they were making the first variax.... they did what renkin did and posted in the forum what would you like to see in the new variax... and who ever was here at the time picked the models that they used....
Currently Being ModeratedSep 16, 2011 3:02 AM (in response to amx05462)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
That is a distinct possibility, Great One...
[I have unmarked one of the helpful answers you gave previously and transferred the pernts to this one, Excellency, and I have also rewarded our colleague frenchfries with correct answer pernts based on the quality of his post, above. It may not be "correct" in the literal sense, but it is extremely instructive and, IMO, true...]
Currently Being ModeratedSep 16, 2011 11:14 AM (in response to JellyWheat)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
You're too kind with my lame hypothesis, Sir... :-)
But it's really a pleasure to talk with you, Gelée-Ouïte
[au fait, j'aurais dû me douter que je discutais avec un francophone en voyant les accents sur les lettres de ta signature, mon ami du Québec... Moi je suis du Nord de la France. Au plaisir de te lire quand je passerai (ce que je fais hélas très irrégulièrement, faute de temps)].
Currently Being ModeratedSep 16, 2011 2:20 PM (in response to frenchfries)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
yes he gave a very good answer and deserves the pernts
Currently Being ModeratedSep 16, 2011 2:48 PM (in response to amx05462)Re: ?(8>*}?!?... Why doesn't Line 6 model PRS guitars, and...
... trezz bee-yenn, mon vee-yoo !