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Jaredia123 Just Startin'
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Oct 30, 2011 8:08 PM

Variax 500 and HD500

Ok so i have all of the updates installed and the variax and hd500 are able to communicate to each other. How do I send the tuning for the variax to the patch?? Even saving the guitar preset and trying to pull it up on the HD500 edit/variax drop down menu...it still doesn't load the tuning. I'm trying to do a capo4 acoustic setting and when I put it into the variax workbench I can hear the capo part. Then I try to save it as a preset for the HD500 and it's in standard. Please help!

  • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User
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    Oct 30, 2011 8:16 PM (in response to Jaredia123)
    Re: Variax 500 and HD500

    Sounds like you are not storing the tunings after you've edited them in Workbench. Make sure to store any alterations you make in Workbench on the Variax itself.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
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    Oct 30, 2011 9:06 PM (in response to Jaredia123)
    Re: Variax 500 and HD500

    are you saving the "u" model and not the "f" model to the patch?

    the "u" models are the user models that you create in workbench and the "f" models are the factory models stored in the variax...

    it's pretty awesome that with a pod you can still access the factory and the user patches on the variax...

    without a pod you can only access the "u" user patches saved on the variax via the knob.

    • daferalo Iknowathingortwo
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      Oct 30, 2011 9:31 PM (in response to TheRealZap)
      Re: Variax 500 and HD500

      Hey TheRealZap, could you please explain more about the u and f models? It is something I have been wondering about and there is no information at the user manuals. For me it was only a "letter" difference, since that you can see the same models with an U denomination and a F denomination in the HD 500 Edit software, so I do not really know what the difference is and what you can get by using one or another, or what the advantages are of choosing one or another. Thanks.

      • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
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        Oct 31, 2011 3:53 AM (in response to daferalo)
        Re: Variax 500 and HD500

        basically you can only change the "u" models... you can change every last one of them with custom builds, alt tunings etc...

        the "f" models are the factory models with the factory tunings... so you can still get to them using a pod.

         

        the knob on the variax will only allow you to select the "u" models...

        so if you use the variax without a pod you will not be able to call up the standard models, only the "u" models that you have altered....

        by default if you make no changes... the "u" models are the same as the "f" models...

        which is why its very easy to overlook the difference between them.

        • daferalo Iknowathingortwo
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          Nov 1, 2011 9:05 AM (in response to TheRealZap)
          Re: Variax 500 and HD500

          Thanks man, I really appreciate your replies, although I am still doubtful since I have some ideas inside my mind, but I do not want to hijack this thread. I will post another thread accordingly. Thanks again!!!!

           

          Best Regards,

           

          Daf

        • alsithi Just Startin'
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          Nov 1, 2011 2:20 PM (in response to TheRealZap)
          Re: Variax 500 and HD500

          Not sure that's true. I can change ANY guitar on my 300 to anything- for example my 'Lester' middle pickup setting is now based on a Peter Green model.

           

          What is certain is that the HD500 can only switch guitars which are already loaded into the Variax memory.

           

          All my patches are programmed to switch between various guitars on my Variax, and I usually set the guitar itself to Lester. This means I can flick the pickup selector to give me the extra power and sustain for some solos, and just kick the patch switch to return to the original guitar. It works very well!

           

          cheers

          John

          • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
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            Nov 1, 2011 3:08 PM (in response to alsithi)
            Re: Variax 500 and HD500

            alsithi wrote:

             

            ... I can change ANY guitar on my 300 to anything- for example my 'Lester' middle pickup setting is now based on a Peter Green model...

            I think that's what zap is saying - the models accessible directly on your 300 are the user models, and you can change any of them using Workbench.

             

            ..

             

            What is certain is that the HD500 can only switch guitars which are already loaded into the Variax memory....

            Yes, and what is stored in the Variax memory includes all factory preset models in their original state as well as all the user models which were loaded as duplicates of the factory models during factory setup, and which  you can overwrite/replace in Workbench. I think zap is pointing out that the hidden set of factory presets (the 'f' set) is available only if you are using a compatible POD device which can load it to the Variax. The 'f' set of models is not available from the model selector switch on the Variax.

            • alsithi Just Startin'
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              Nov 1, 2011 3:36 PM (in response to silverhead)
              Re: Variax 500 and HD500

              May I correct you slightly?

               

              I think Zap is suggesting you can overwrite the 'user' models, but NOT the 'factory' ones.You can overwrite ALL the stored guitars in the variax regardless of whether they are in the factory or user locations.

               

              Well, you can on the 300 anyway, I can't speak for the other models. As previously stated I have changed the Lester middle pickup from the factory setting to a different guitar (Peter Green's LP).

               

              cheers

              John

              • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User
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                Nov 3, 2011 9:34 AM (in response to alsithi)
                Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                alsithi, you're not quite understanding. There are 60 preset locations in the Variax models - as you say all of which can be overwritten. However, when you use a Variax-enabled Pod you also gain access to a further 50 presets, which are the same as the presets that the Variax originally came with. Because these are only accessible by using a Pod they are not editable via Workbench.

                • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
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                  Nov 1, 2011 3:55 PM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
                  Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                  perfecto! you are right. you can overwrite every last patch on the variax that you can get to in workbench.

                   

                  but you can't get to.... modify... or access the factory models... UNLESS you use a pod and a variax cable.

                   

                  this is technically ALWAYS true... even before you overwrite any of the variax patches... you are always accessing the user patches... it just so happens that by default the user patches are the same as the factory patches....

                   

                  this is a great and largely ignored capability of running a variax with a pod.

                  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
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                    Nov 1, 2011 4:59 PM (in response to TheRealZap)
                    Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                    just one remaining detail for clarification....

                     

                    I'm not 100% sure but I believe the factory (not user) models - the ones indicated by 'f' in the pod - do not have the 2 banks of 5 Custom models. Hence I believe the total number of models available via a Pod is 110: the 60 user models and 50 factory models. A quick check on any Variax compatible Pod would confirm/refute this but I don't happen to be sitting at one at this moment.

                    • daferalo Iknowathingortwo
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                      Nov 1, 2011 5:06 PM (in response to silverhead)
                      Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                      silverhead escribió:

                       

                      just one remaining detail for clarification....

                       

                      I'm not 100% sure but I believe the factory (not user) models - the ones indicated by 'f' in the pod - do not have the 2 banks of 5 Custom models. Hence I believe the total number of models available via a Pod is 110: the 60 user models and 50 factory models. A quick check on any Variax compatible Pod would confirm/refute this but I don't happen to be sitting at one at this moment.

                       

                      That is totally true!!! The total number of available model through a POD is 110, as you said.

                  • daferalo Iknowathingortwo
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                    Nov 1, 2011 7:03 PM (in response to TheRealZap)
                    Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                    this is technically ALWAYS true... even before you overwrite any of the variax patches... you are always accessing the user patches... it just so happens that by default the user patches are the same as the factory patches....

                     

                    this is a great and largely ignored capability of running a variax with a pod.

                    Yeap, it is a great and LARGELY INGORED capability, because actually there is no information about it from Line 6 at the user manuals. This is the only site where I got that information. Thank you all

              • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
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                Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM (in response to alsithi)
                Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                alsithi wrote:

                 

                ..

                 

                I think Zap is suggesting you can overwrite the 'user' models, but NOT the 'factory' ones....

                I believe you are confusing 'user'  models with 'Custom' models. The User models INCLUDE the 2x5 Custom models identified on the selector switch AS WELL AS the 10x5 vintage modelws labeled T-Model, Lester, etc.

                 

                The Factory models are an entirely seperate group of models, hidden and inaccessible unless you have a Variax compatible Pod. These models are loaded into the associated User model locations (which can be overwritten later) when the Variax is shipped.

                • alsithi Just Startin'
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                  Nov 3, 2011 12:11 PM (in response to silverhead)
                  Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                  Well I'm DEFINITELY confused now ;-)

                   

                  My experience with the HD500 and Variax 300 is that you can program the Pod to 'force' the guitar model. In the Line6 advanced guide it shows a setting of Spank-3 as an example. You can program individual patches to force any of the 60 positions which are also accessible via the Variax rotary switch. I use this facility on all my patches for gigging, and manually set the guitar to the Lester position so I can flick to a les paul sound in an instant. Kicking the preset button returns to the 'forced' guitar- a fantastic feature.

                   

                  What I am saying is that in workbench you can customise every single one of these 60 guitars and load them into the variax memory, not just the 10 custom ones. My 'Lester3' is a custom guitar, based on Peter Green's guitar.

                   

                  So, the big question is: If I program a patch on the Pod to force Lester3 which guitar will I get- the factory standard or the one I've loaded from workbench? (I can't check for myself as my guitar and pod are not here at present)

                   

                   

                  cheers

                  John

                  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
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                    Nov 3, 2011 2:03 PM (in response to alsithi)
                    Re: Variax 500 and HD500

                    Everything you describe is true. The confusion is cleared up by the answer to your question:

                     

                    ...

                     

                    So, the big question is: If I program a patch on the Pod to force Lester3 which guitar will I get- the factory standard or the one I've loaded from workbench? (I can't check for myself as my guitar and pod are not here at present)

                    ....

                    In the Pod you will have two selections for forcing a Lester-3 model on the Variax. The Pod selection named 'u-Lester-3' will call up the Lester-3 model that is in the User presets of the Variax - that's the one that is slectable with the Model knob and the pickup switch on the Varaix. That is also the one you have loaded from Workbench.

                     

                    The Pod selection named 'f-Lester-3' will call up the original factory standard Lester-3 model. That model is stored in your Variax but is not selectable using the Variax itself. All the 'f ' models are ONLY seectable using a VDI-equipped Pod. Nor can they be overwritten using Workbench - only the User models can be overwritten. But the User models INCLUDE all models selectable on the Variax itself by using the Model knob and the pickup selector switch.

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