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  • Rewolf48 Just Startin' 133 posts since
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    46. Oct 26, 2011 6:02 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    meambobbo,

     

    Great guide - lets hope the next HD update gives us a decent eq.

     

    Just thought I should mention something that I looked into a year or more ago which you might want to mention in the guide and perhaps try yourself - I did.  You wrote:

     

    "Also, many amps, particularly 1x12’s, are really bright directly in front the amp.  You could try to use something like a beam blocker to even out the sound, or just stand slightly off center."

     

    The latter solution if of course fine for you as the guitarist, but is not so good for the audience who are getting "beamed" by the ice-pick highs that you don't hear as you are off-axis.  This problem is why many bands especially those that only use backline often sound rubbish to the audience - the audience gets a completely different sound to the musicians.

     

    An alternative option is the "Mitchell Doughnut" which is a thin flat doughnut shaped disk of acoustic foam placed in front of the speaker.  In the most simplistic terms the hole in the middle acts a bit like a smaller speaker for the frequencies that are blocked by the foam - this means that high frequencies get a higher dispersion pattern resulting in much more even sound everywhere.

     

    Jay Mitchell really knows what he is talking about here; the fix is very cheap, reversable and most importantly it does work.  Jay wouldn't like my quick description as it is technically incorrect, but his version takes a lot more words; he also proves that beak blockers don't work in the way that you might expect...

     

    He wrote an article about it here: http://www.tgpwebzine.com/?page_id=424 and there are a lot of forum threads that also go into it in a lot of detail if you search for "Mitchell Doughnut".

     

    Matt

  • Kurisu2 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    47. Oct 26, 2011 8:09 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    I'm unfamiliar with this whole Line6 community/corporate interaction thing -- how do we make a formal request for a 2+ band eq? 

     

    Eq's are likely near the lowest cost in terms of DSP, and I see no reason why we can't have a multiband EQ in a single slot.

  • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
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    48. Oct 26, 2011 8:29 AM (in response to Kurisu2)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Kurisu2 wrote:

     

    I'm unfamiliar with this whole Line6 community/corporate interaction thing -- how do we make a formal request for a 2+ band eq? 

     

    Eq's are likely near the lowest cost in terms of DSP, and I see no reason why we can't have a multiband EQ in a single slot.

    click the contact us link at the bottom of the page, select product feedback, and in that feedback form, use the dropdown menu to select new feature, and ask for what you want.

  • Kurisu2 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    49. Oct 26, 2011 8:38 AM (in response to Rowbi)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Rowbi wrote:

     

    click the contact us link at the bottom of the page, select product feedback, and in that feedback form, use the dropdown menu to select new feature, and ask for what you want.

     

    Great, thanks! I sent off a request just now. Perhaps others can too and we'll get some critical mass?

  • relayerjb Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    51. Oct 26, 2011 12:56 PM (in response to Rewolf48)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Rewolf, thanks for the tip on Jay Mitchell...

  • Rewolf48 Just Startin' 133 posts since
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    52. Oct 27, 2011 4:56 AM (in response to relayerjb)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    No problems. 

     

    I tried it on my rig which is currently HD500 into a Marshall 8008 into a pair of 1912 (1 x12") cabs and it makes a lot of difference - the beaming effect is substantially reduced and the sound is a lot more consistent.

     

    Some of the forum discussions do go into the practicalities of miking up a doughnut equiped cab, but I haven't played anywhere big enough to require miking of the backline.

     

    That said I am currently, and not as patentiently as a I might be, waiting for delivery of a pair of FBT MaxX2a that I hope will replace the Marshall stuff.  I just feel that I can't get the right sound for an open back Fender amp simulation or for an acoustic from the closed back Marshall cabs - so I am going FRFR and as long as it works properly I won't have this problem any more. It will also allow me to mix in a bit of keyboards into a single monitoring solution.

     

    The delivery is scheduled for today, but the tracking says that although collected on time 2 days ago they are still at the wrong end of the country....  come on.... come on....

  • relayerjb Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    53. Oct 27, 2011 12:02 PM (in response to Rewolf48)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    If I decide to try it out I'll have to search for some of those discussions since we do mike our gear at most shows.  Fortunately my cabs aren't too directional, not like the Twin I used to own... 

     

    I'm wondering why wouldn't you just mike it in the center, maybe w/ the mike off-axis?  Is it too bright or something right there at the opening?

  • relayerjb Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    55. Oct 27, 2011 5:43 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    If only our soundman had any interest in this much detail...   ;-(

     

    Since the grill will still be on the cab, the best I can get would be right up against the grill.  I guess I'd try maybe right about the edge of the donut hole...

     

    Thanks for the ideas!

  • neo10neo Just Startin' 18 posts since
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    56. Nov 23, 2011 12:41 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Love this thread! Any new tones/updates?

  • Apologist Iknowathingortwo 638 posts since
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    58. Nov 24, 2011 5:57 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    +1

     

    Ya I have found sometimes that what sounds good to me on the neck pickup for a lead tone sounds incredible for rythyym when the verb and delay are adjusted or removed.

     

    BTW I loved your take on Rhoads using the  JCM800 .. I did a few eq adjustments and added some sag and it was perfect to my ears. Sounds even bettter after update for some reason.

  • Gandalf5150 Just Startin' 76 posts since
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    59. Nov 24, 2011 3:05 PM (in response to Apologist)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Absolutely brilliant work. Just shared the thread with the TGP community. Hope you don't mind.

     

    Edited...@ meambobbo. I can't access the audio on your website usin Forefox, I just get a rectagular grey shape covering the play section.

    I can manage a work around usin IE.I get the message: Your browser does not support the audio element, but I do get the option to divert to source, which takes me to Quicktime player. Just thought I'd let you know, as others may have the same problem

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