Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 2:51 AM (in response to Metalliac)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
... Or would I have to use dual amp signal chains and send the PA signal mono with the left XLR output and drive the amp with the right 1/4 output? If I'd have to do this I guess the POD can't handle as many FX because of the DSP load of two amps.
I think that dual amp chains is your answer and yes, you will be limited DSP as to the number of available effects ... and indeed the amp models that you can use. I understand that the Engl model is particularly hungry for resources.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 9:04 AM (in response to jimsreynolds)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
I haven't noticed the ENGL being hungrier than the other amp models - the Uber is the hungriest I've come accross.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 9:19 AM (in response to meambobbo)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
I have a memory of trying to setup a dual Engl patch at one point and hitting DSP limits unexpectely.. Can't remember the exact scenario but was reminded of this when I recently looked over the DSP info developed by Fester2000 here --> http://line6.com/support/thread/50339
I guess this info is quite old now and there have been firmware updates inbetween - possibly including the one that shifted the original Uber to be the Line6 Elektrik and intro'd the new one.. If you tell me that the Uber is now a cycle-munching monster also then I will readily believe you.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 2:56 AM (in response to Metalliac)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
On their own, currently, the only way to do something like this is to set up a dual chain with two independent mono configurations and two amp models which does impact on the available DSP resources. It's do-able and it works, but it's not my preferred solution.
I found that as long as I was satisfied with relatively simple speaker cab simulation, I can use an inexpensive active DI box with switchable speaker cab emulation to feed the PA in the form of the Behringer Ultra GI GI100 DI box (or pair). These retail at about £25 GBP and are a cheaper alternative to something like the H&K Red Box.
The result when placing the DI box between the HD500 and the amp input is in my opinion a more than satisfactory and usable sound through the PA whilst feeding an on-stage guitar amp.
In practice having access to both a DT-50 212 and a DT-25 head + cab, I would normally just take a PA feed from the amp's speaker transformer derived DI output or if using a third party amp, I'd place the Behringer box between the amp and its speaker to achieve the same thing.
If however, you want to use a full amp model for the PA and PRE for your on-stage sound, you are really back to using a dual signal chain as I outlined in the first paragraph.
Or yet again, as a quite expensive solution, given that the HD500 is a MIDI controller and has digital output, you could buy both an HD500 to act as MIDI master and controller with full amp models and cab emulation to feed a Studio/Direct signal to a standard third party PA desk and MIDI control/digital audio; and a POD HD Pro to allow the POD HD Pro to be set up in parallel with the POD HD500 and essentially with the same patches and set lists as the HD500 but using PRE amp models and with the output mode configured to Stack Pwr Amp or whatever mode suits your on-stage guitar amp. This is probably not a solution most people would entertain, but with the recent addition of MIDI control that can be used with incoming MIDI signals in the POD HD500 and POD HD Pro units, it does make the POD HD range scaleable and therefore possible to run several POD HD Pro units in parallel.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 9:15 AM (in response to Metalliac)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
2) Run a preamp model with all the FX and WITHOUT a cab model straight to the FX loop return of my amp for stage monitoring
If I'd have to do this I guess the POD can't handle as many FX because of the DSP load of two amps.
Preamp-only models do not consume anywhere near as many resources as full amp models.
There's a very good chance you won't run into any DSP limitation problems.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 27, 2012 9:23 AM (in response to gregr)Re: Can either the HD500 or PRO do this output scheme?
Yes, that is my experience also that the pre-amp-only models are lighter though the research by Fester2000 would suggest that it is only in the region of 5-10%. Still, everything helps.