Currently Being ModeratedFeb 24, 2012 1:34 AM (in response to BlueViolince)Re: HD500 and Digitech HarmonyMan 4-cable method(in front of amp)
Sorry. Maybe I'm being dim but I don't understand your signal routing from the HD500 to the Harmony Man and back to the HD500. The way you've written it just looks wrong to me and I would expect pretty much what you experienced.
Personally I would have put the Harmony Man wholly in the HD500's FX loop something like this:
Guitar > external FX chain
External FX chain > HD500 guitar input
HD500 FX loop Send > Harmony Man input
Harmony Man Dry Out > HD500 FX Return LEFT
Harmony Man harmony 1 Out > HD500 FX Return RIGHT
Maybe that's what you meant, but it wasn't clear. I might be able to try it later as I have a Harmony Man here.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 24, 2012 8:12 AM (in response to Nick_Mattocks)Re: HD500 and Digitech HarmonyMan 4-cable method(in front of amp)
Here was my original routing scheme:
Violin > Harmony Man instrument input
Harmony man distortion fx send > external fx input
External fx output > HD500 instrument input
HD500 fx send > Harmony Man distortion fx return
Harmony Man output > HD500 fx return
Basically, the theory was that the HM likes a cleaner input, and keys the harmonies off of the dry signal. The distortion fx loop allows the drive and whatever else to go in front of the actual harmony effect without mucking up the harmonizer's pitch detection, but places the actual effect after the drive. I wanted harmony to go after my drive section, so I put the HD500 fx loop after the amp models.
What I now have is a more standard setup:
Violin > Harmony Man instrument input
Harmony Man distortion fx send > Yamaha Magicstomp
Magicstomp > Harmony Man fx return
Harmony Man output > HD500 instrument input
HD500 fx send > GE-7 sniper
GE-7 > HD500 fx return
As it ended up, it sounds better in front of drive, and the suboctave works really well with my drive setup. The Magicstomp stays in the HM's loop so I can run a thick chorus before a D1/D2 detuner on the HM.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 24, 2012 10:42 AM (in response to BlueViolince)Re: HD500 and Digitech HarmonyMan 4-cable method(in front of amp)
I am having a few problems getting my head around your setup but I do know that each Analog/Digital conversion can introduce a (very) small amount of delay into your signal. If you mix back into another signal later this can cause some pretty nasty phasey/comb-filter effects. I suspect that the 'distortion send' may be expecting to send out to an analog dirtbox stomp rather than another digital device. Analog dirtboxes don't really delay the signal at all.
This may not be a Pod thing as much as a generic Digital thing.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 25, 2012 8:31 AM (in response to BlueViolince)Re: HD500 and Digitech HarmonyMan 4-cable method(in front of amp)
I believe you are correct. At least I know what the issue is. Is this something that a sonic maximizer would help with?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 25, 2012 9:08 AM (in response to BlueViolince)Re: HD500 and Digitech HarmonyMan 4-cable method(in front of amp)
I hear mixed reports about the BBE. If you are hoping that the delay thing that the BBE does may help here then I doubt it (though I cannot say for certain.
What you could try though is ...
Hookup your setup as you described then
- Turn the Mix on the Digitech to 100% wet (Harmony only)
- Turn the Mix control on the HD Effects loop to 50%( or wherever you would normally set your balance between harmoniser and clean).
That may work
Checkout the sketch below (click on it to enlarge). Blue arrows are cables. Red arrows are signal flows through the pedals.
In the first pic , the mix happens at the Harmonyman output and this is where the phasiness happens. In the second pic the mix happens at the Pod FX Return. Doing the mix there may help.