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  • grimm26 Just Startin' 303 posts since
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    105. Feb 28, 2012 1:00 PM (in response to jpoprock)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    jpoprock wrote:

     

    So, I'm getting ready to flash to 1.43. Prior to this update, I had to go into EVERY PRESET via HD500Edit and change source 1 to Guitar, and source 2 to Variax. I did this because everyone here said it made a huge difference, but I don't know if It did or not. To me, It sounded the same.

     

    Are you then saying that after I install 1.43, I can do this GLOBALLY, rather than having to go through each patch one at a time and changing them? Because that was a GIANT drag that took way too much time.

     

    Has anyone from Line 6 ever confirmed or denied this issue? Why does it matter in the sound of the unit?

    From section 6-2 in the HD500 Advanced Guide:

    "Note that when utilizing both Inputs 1 & 2 (or when using “SAME” for either of these Input options) the two Input signals are combined to allow them to be fed into any Amp or mono FX Model within the Pre position, which can result in a hot signal level. Reduce your instruments’ volume as needed to avoid overloading your Pre-positioned Models."

  • grimm26 Just Startin' 303 posts since
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    106. Feb 28, 2012 1:04 PM (in response to jpoprock)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    jpoprock wrote:

     

    @Grimm26 said:

    You can still use input 1: guitar and input 2:variax for 2amp patches.  You only need to worry about input 2 if you have a dual tone split from the start.  There are posts in this thread that even have a screenshot of hdedit to show this.

     

    I hate this forum, but i love the forum members. Why? because you see that little search box in the upper right hand corner? I typed in dual tone split and guess what I got? NOTHING pertaining to this thread. Most forums have a drop down box that allow you to "seach this thread", or "Subscribe to this thread", etc. I have never liked the way this forum is laid out and I've let it be known several times. I spend more times looking in the wrong places for answers then I do finding the answer. I refuse to even search because you'll end up in FAQ's, Community, Tech Support Documents, etc. I don't want that. I want to hear from DUDES WHO USE this stuff. Not some stock answer the book gives.

     

    My cell phone manual along with the Verizon website says nothing about rooting my phone to make it super sweet. Yet, you can, and it's awesome. That's my point.

     

    So, I still have no clue what a "dual tone split from the start" looks like.

     

    If you guys have never downloaded or heard Glenn DeLaune's patches... do yourself a favor and check them out. Not only are they great, but they are VERY creative.  In fact, I don't understand the logic behind how he makes these patches. They just work! He has some Youtube vids showing you all kinds of tips too.

     

    He's big on using an Expression pedal which I don't own. I wish I did. I've heard that many of them on the market are JUNK, so I don't know which to buy. But he controls the gain output of a dist pedal with one, and the overall output vol w/ the other I think. Very cool! But if you don't have an expression pedal, it can really throw you.

     

    I also don't understand how or why anyone would want to use all 8 FS buttons. How do you scroll to your patches? Manually? You can only go up and down, not side to side right?

     

    Again, sorry for the rant. Messing with my HD500 (that I love btw), always sends me over the edge with confusion and the end result is the same... I do nothing about it because I don't have time to sift through hours of posts to find a simple answer. HA! I know, I'm a jerk. Sorry. I'm really not... I swear.

     

    http://www.glenndelaune.com/Patch%20Download%20Area.htm

     

    I know someone has posted screenshots showing what you are looking for, but like you say, the forum search here sucks.

  • jimsreynolds Power User 2,227 posts since
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    107. Feb 28, 2012 1:56 PM (in response to grimm26)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    The search does work OK.  It's just that the default search options are not well chosen.  Try this --> http://line6.com/support/thread/78636

  • jpoprock Just Startin' 59 posts since
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    108. Feb 29, 2012 1:35 PM (in response to grimm26)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Grimm26... thanks for your help. I think i'm good to go. If you say that most likely my patches are "mono", then I'd have to agree. Unless there are quite a few "Stereo" patches that are "stock". But I don't really use many dual amp splits, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were mono. The only super geeky patches I've ever seen were from Glenn Delaune, but they are some of the best that I've heard yet.

     

    With regards to setting up my patches... i'm going to have to stick with the amp/cab until I'm able to gain access to the soundboard and allowed to sit at the board with my HD500 and play until I'm sick of playing. If I've got someone standing over me wanting to chit chat and offer suggestions, then I'd rather not deal with it. I was told that I can do this whenever I want... I just have to arrange for it in advance. But there is nothing more annoying than to listen to someone go on a tone odyssey at high volumes for hours on end. HA!

     

     

    J

  • mhspeights Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    109. Mar 1, 2012 9:55 AM (in response to jpoprock)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Thanks all for this thread. I have been working exculsively "studio direct" since upgrading from my POD XT to the HD 500 and my patches have exibited overdriven cleans (not in a good crunch way) and overall were thin sounding. From the beginning I could not dial in a good clean sound, but I am much closer given this information on inputs 1 and 2. Of course it diminished my overall level, but that can be compensated for.

     

    I work in situations where live amps are not appropriate or not allowed. I am really hoping to move into this digital realm and not have to use an amp, but I am really missing the warmth. If I were exclusively a head banger this thing would be great, but in addition to playing rock I need to be able to fit in with tradtional jazz quartets as well as perform with in-ears sitting with the cellos right behind me in a full symphony orchestra. The warm clean sounds are paramount.

  • Doc_Hollingsworth Just Startin' 7 posts since
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    110. Mar 14, 2012 9:34 PM (in response to jpoprock)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    JP, check out the expression pedals from mission control. They have one for Line 6 devices built on a heavy frame like a Cry Baby Wah. Or you can get a broken Cry Baby and gut it. Keep the rack, mono jack, gear and rack for the pot. Then add a CTS 10k linear pot and wire it appropriately to the mono jack. Add the gear to the pot, close up the shell and you're good to go.

  • unclejason Just Startin' 49 posts since
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    111. Mar 15, 2012 11:35 AM (in response to cabir)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Yeah my metal patches were sounding muddy but I threw in the tube compressor and that tightened everything up.

  • magpie Just Startin' 79 posts since
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    112. Mar 24, 2012 11:32 PM (in response to deanesque)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Good info in this thread!

    Any suggestions for HD Bean owners?

    The Bean doesn't have the variax input option,

    only "guitar, mic and same".

     

    Cheers!

     

    edit:

    I found a good answer on page two.

    I assume it would be wise to turn the mic level knob all the way down when setting 2nd input to mic input?

    lindsayward wrote:

    "kvines, it's up to you if you want to send the guitar to both signal paths, as described above (then use guitar).

    If you want to minimise the extra drive by doubling up the inputs (as described by the original post), set it to Mic."

  • nYdGeo Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    113. Mar 28, 2012 6:54 AM (in response to magpie)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Good day one and all! I stunbled on to the thread late last night and I believe that I've stumbled onto the cause of the occasional, horrific sounding solid-state distortion I've heard from time to time. The fairly high output of the active EMG's in my guitar probably wasn't helping. So, with little time left before I had to retire for the night, I took a tone that I downloaded (no more tears (standard Zakk Wylde + mild chorus)) and changed Input 1 from...whatever it was, to "Guitar", changed Input 2 from "Same" to "Variax".

     

    I didn't have time to see if this lowered the overall noise level, etc., I just noticed that overall the tone is not quite as loud (which doesn't matter), and (this does matter) it appears that the gain has dropped a fair amount. My simple question, and I apologize in advance if this is truly simple mnded, is this: do I simply up the gain a bit on the compressor, overdrive, or possibly the amp's Preamp setting in the patch to get the gain back? I understand that I may have to experiment to find out which the above or which combination of the above needs to be adjusted to maintain the tone, but...is that it?

     

    Thank you for your time.

     

    (On a more personal note, I've just started playing again after a 12-year break, and the HD 500 is as mind-boggling as it is amazing. I cannot believe how much like an amp it behaves. I setup a JCM 800 (a familiar, old friend) with nothing else, set everything in the Preamp section to the "10" and set the 'power amp' to "10" as an experiment. Its not a hot-rodded 800 so it has moderate gain, and sounds both familiar and quite nice through the 4x12 Celestion 25wt greenback cab sim. A bit of tube overdrive added some gain. Rolling off the guitar's volume cleans it up very much like it used to do on my amp, so playing the verse sections of "Running With The Devil" sound just right. I don't know how this device appears to be so dynamic and responsive, but I like it.)

  • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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    114. Mar 28, 2012 10:31 AM (in response to nYdGeo)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    i've said this a number of times and confirmed it with recordings, but setting input 2 to variax does not change the input tone, only the signal level.  so there's really no point to change your input settings then try to boost the level back to where it was.  you'll spend a lot of time ending up where you started.

     

    if you really want to go down this road, i'd start with the compressor, reducing its threshold (or boosting its sustain) to get the same amount of compression you formerly had, and setting the level to get the same volume.  depending on how the compressor works, you might not get exactly the same tone, and you could mess with the stuff downstream afterwards to compensate, but you should start close to the input and work down the chain.

     

    and as i've also warned, if you do use input 2 variax on a dual amp patch where there are no mono effects before the split, you are essentially sending channel B a null signal and will not get the desired output.

  • nYdGeo Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    115. Mar 28, 2012 11:05 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    I gotcha. It is true that in my case, the overall sound, the tone doesn't change at all that I can perceive. But after the change to Input 2, the overall volume dropped a bit (expected and doesn't matter), but it also seems to be a bit more difficult to get those squealing pinch harmonics off of the 6th-string, 3rd-fret that are all over Zakk's tracks. It seemed logical that if the input level going into an environment modelling a gain device was lowered, it might display a small drop in gain.

     

    This could be similar to what one might experience going from an EMG Active Humbucker equipped guitar to a Strat on the same preset. The weaker, single-coil signal of the Strat is going to dislay itself as if having less gain, along with a drastic change in sound of course, though in fact in this example, the actual gain structure of the preset tone itself has in fact not actually changed.

     

    Also, please bear in miind that I did not get to play with it much after making the change last night as my days start very early. I'll play with it this evening when I get home. You may be right and I'll find that its the same, just at a slightly lower volume.

     

    Thanks for the input, and for elaborating more on the signal path thing. I believe that the way the official documentation explains this is rather poorly worded. Its folks like you elaborating on it, and clarifying it in these forums that has helped me to understand it.

     

    Thank you for your time.

  • CHAMPY7 Just Startin' 10 posts since
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    116. Mar 28, 2012 2:39 PM (in response to deanesque)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Ya he leido esta discusión y lo he probado todo y mas y le digo que lo único que me ha funcionado es instalar la firware 1.10 por eso pienso que en mi pod hd 500 pasa algo estraño

     

    I've read this discussion and I've tried everything and more and saythat all he has worked for me is to install the 1.10 firware so I thinkthat in my pod goes something strange hd 500

  • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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  • kjmccann Just Startin' 3 posts since
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    118. Mar 29, 2012 4:00 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Meambobbo,

     

    Mate, I know it has been said before but the document you have put together is an absolute essential piece of reading for anyone who owns an HD500. I've gone from being totally frustrated with the thing to being totally blown away by it again.

     

    I've got a summer filled with cover gigs this year and I'm going to sound a lot better as a result of taking the time to go through your document.

     

    Thanks man.

     

  • Karma180 Just Startin' 22 posts since
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    119. Mar 29, 2012 7:56 PM (in response to deanesque)
    Re: What every HD500 owner needs to know!

    Which one do I choose for Input 2 Source??

     

    Variax Channel 1 or Variax Channel 2 or Guitar + Variax Channel 1 or Guitar + Aux + Vaiax Channel 1 ... those ar the 4 choices i have in the Edit software

     

    Thanx, Karma

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