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  • DLR4VH Just Startin' 7 posts since
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    60. Mar 22, 2012 8:20 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    My G50 also has drop outs. I was on stage just last week and I was probably 10 feet away from the receiver, which is in my pedal board, and I had about a second of drop out twice. Have no clue why it occured. Come on Line 6 let's get this corrected as it's very apparent there's a real issue here. (BTW, I also have issues with the transmitter breaking where the chord seeds into the unit, which I've started another thread in hopes to get this fixed). Thank you!

     

    -Derek

    www.fanhalen.net

  • GD2012 Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    61. Mar 23, 2012 6:04 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Can you pls let me know where I could send an audio file of our issue so you can hear it. We have recorded 3 different instruments coming right out of the g50 receiver straight into the computer and all 3 have done the same thing. You actually hear a quick cutting off at the tail end of that tone change on a few of them.

    Thank you.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    62. Mar 24, 2012 9:30 AM (in response to GD2012)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    You can send it to me ... dboomer@line6.com

     

    In order to be helpful I need to get uncompressed wav files.  I need to get BOTH the signal theough the Relay as well as the signal run direct so I can compare.  Use a Y cord out of your instrument and run one channel direct and one through the relay.  You must be very careful not to experience any clipping of the inputs and the recorded signal (fron both sources) must no have any EQ or effects applied.

  • markstarnes Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    63. Apr 12, 2012 6:16 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I'm not having RF drop out issues since the LED's stay green and the 1 signal indicator comes on when hitting my guitar strings. What I have a problem with is loosing output guitar signal strength. Very weird and it's intermittant and most certainly is room related since I can't repeat this at home. I play at a church a few times a month and have had no issues for the past 18 months or so until about 2 weeks ago. we all use IEM and have been for years. Seems like if I get there early enough to setup before something else is "turned on" everything is fine. This past Sunday we played a set for the first service and when I went back up for the second service my battery low indicator was on so I changed batteries and screwed up my signal strength and had to use a cable to finish the service.

     

    I set up Wednesday for practice around lunch time (I was going to be late for practice that night) and left with signal strenght perfect and tuned off the transmitter to save battery. When I got there at 7:15 pm and turned on the pack...loss of signal strenth. If I had to guess its probably 70-80 precent signal loss. I switched to a cable for the rest of the night. Took my crap home and no problems there.

     

    Any ideas???

     

    Seems like there is something that is competing for the signal on a first come first served basis. I've tried all 12 channels with no luck. Once it happens, it seems un fixable for the day.

     

    Thanks in advance!

    Mark Starnes

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    64. Apr 12, 2012 10:28 AM (in response to markstarnes)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    "What I have a problem with is loosing output guitar signal strength"

     

    This kind of a problem is not related to RF signal strength.  With a digital signal it's all 1's and 0's and strength, noise and distortion don't have any effect of the audio quality or level.

     

    Loss of output level would be an analog issue that is either cause by a hardware failure or an interface problem (or by some other gear in the audio chain).  If you believe that the Relay is at fault you should use the "contact us" at the bottom of the page for service.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    65. Apr 12, 2012 10:31 AM (in response to DLR4VH)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    "My G50 also has drop outs. .... Have no clue why it occured."

     

    There are lots of reasons this can happen.  Have you gone through all the trouble shooting sets in the FAQ on the documents page?  That would be a starting point.

  • gcdef Just Startin' 11 posts since
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    66. Apr 12, 2012 10:54 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    At some point Don, are you ever going to say to yourself, "gee maybe there's a problem with these things that we need to be figuring out", or are you just going to keep shuffling the blame off on the users?

     

    I've been playing with wireless for a decade now, and the only units I've ever had dropouts with were the Line 6.  Not once with another brand, every few minutes with yours.  Three of them.  Never seen a dropout from anybody else in my bands either. 

  • brady11 Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    67. May 20, 2012 12:33 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Hi guys, I'm having this problem too, with my G90.

    I bought it in the summer of 2010, although it was not used until this year (the nature of being in between bands and then jamming in a small room kept me from busting it out), so my warranty has expired.

     

    I've already spent $400USD replacing transmittor(s) (twice) in hope of fixing the problem.

    I am going to try using the input through the tuner jack and see if that helps, thanks for the suggestion @adamdegraff

     

     

    @DRL4VH I've seen this problem too, its happened to everyone I've seen or talked to regarding the Relay system.

     

    My band runs a very physical set (lots of headbanging, running, jumping up and down), and my signal cuts out for roughly 5 or more seconds almost every time I move. Even if I remain totally still (play sitting) the signal goes out every few notes. So I am down to the conclusion that it is the cable that is fried and simply needs replacement to prevent shorting out.

     

    I am completely choked up that after spending over $1000 on this wireless system, it is so unreliable, with very little help or suggestion as to what is wrong... I mean the signal dropout FAQ is quite obvious, and I am doing everything right according to it.

     

    As an aside, at a gig last night, 3 musicians (besides myself) experienced the signals of their GX0 (various G relay systems) cutting out at various periods. This may be a venue issue, although I have been fighting with this problem at about 8 different locations so far.

     

     

    I think the part quality of these units needs to be stepped up from the cheap plastic, for the price we musicians are paying. I would also be very happy if I could get some actual support that does not involve simply looking at a blatantly obvious FAQ sheet, or throwing more money at Line6 to have my device sent there and analyzed / repaired / etc. Maybe a mass recall is in order?

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    68. May 20, 2012 1:00 PM (in response to brady11)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    The tuner output is identical to the main output except that it is not "mutable" from the switch on the transmitter so if there is any difference here then you have some electrical failure that needs repair.

     

    Sounds like your problems may arise from mechanical shaking and than you may need to find a way to provide additional security at both ends of the input cable.  Pro installers have a little trick that I've found to work well with any cable that is subject to some stress.  Putting a loop in the cable and securing it loosly with a small cable tie will add some additional strain relief.

     

    I would also recommend updating to the newest V2.x firmware as here have been improvements made since 2010 versions.

  • bigdaddysound Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    69. May 27, 2012 4:53 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I am the audio engineer in this venue. The ear pack should not be an issue as it is worn on the opposite side of the body. As long as antennas are a wave length apart of more than there shouldn't be any issues. I run 46 other wireless units in the room at one time that are coordinated by a professional company. We have no issues between any of our wireless other than the Line6 digital units. I can put a shure or sennheiser beltpack in the same place and never have an issue. It leads me to believe that there are issues with these units. I have taken them and just plugged them into the PA system with no other wireless on in the room and with hear the unit drop out making a pretty loud clicking sound. Best as I can describe it. I have also taken them to various buildings on the campus with the same results. All three units are doing it and it is not predictable when. Also when you get about 50 feet or so away from them there is major latecy issues. Any suggestions as what to do with the units. It is past 30 days so I can't return them to the seller (Guitar Center) and I have asked the Pro Audio people there several times for a rep to contact with no success. Thanks for your help.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    70. May 29, 2012 12:48 PM (in response to bigdaddysound)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    First the easy one.  The latency of the Relay does not change with distance.  What you are hearing is the delay through air ... which would be the same case for a cable.

     

    IEM receivers shouldn't cause you any problems (as long as they are not actually touching each other).  Are you using paddle antennas on the IEM transmitters?  That could be a problem if those antennas have gain or if they are very close to the Relay receiver's antennas.  When you hear clicks does the green RF LED go off? (or red?)

  • bigdaddysound Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    71. Jun 4, 2012 10:13 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I don't experience that amount of delay using my other packs. Especially at such a short distance. As far as the antennas on the IEM units. It is probably about 30-60 feet from the performers in monitor world. I use one Sennheiser CP Helical antenna for all of my IEM units. The antenna is passive with an 80 degree beam width. The rest of my transmitters on stage are all Shure UHFR units. As I said above I have no issues with any of my Shure or Sennheiser units. Everything is coordinated professionally and plays very well together. The G50's are all that I am having issues with. As far as the green lights in the unit. They stay green when the clicking noise occurs.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    72. Jun 4, 2012 11:02 AM (in response to bigdaddysound)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I have no idea what clicking sound you could be hearing if the LEDs are staying green except some kind of sound caused by mechanical issues.  The fact that thay are staying green also rules out interference from other RF sources, so it is not being caused by your IEMs.  Is it possible that you could send me a wav file recording directly off the output of a receiver when this happens?  You could send the units in to have them checked out.  But since this is happening on multiple units it is probably not a hardware failure.  And because of the encrypted digital signal it is not possible for a Relay unit to pick up interference in the radio section.

     

    Does this clicking happen no matter what instrument you have plugged in.  I want to rule out possible problems from active preamps in an instrument.

     

    As far as latency ... it is fixed at just below 4ms.  It doesn't change with distance ... short or long as radio transmission is at the speed of light for both digiatl and analog.  You could improve the latency to 2.9 ms by flashing the G50s with the new V2.0x firmware, but you'll likely not hear any difference even though it will measure as shorter.

     

    What firmware rev are you using?  Hold both buttons in while powering on and it should read in the LCD window of the transmitter.

  • adamdegraff Just Startin' 14 posts since
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    73. Jun 4, 2012 1:07 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    DBoomer,

    how exactly does one upgrade to the new firmware? We have  6 G50s, and 2 XDV70, all using belt packs. I heard that one needs the XDV75 in hand to do the firmware upgrade. Is that true? We still, after three years of use, experinece random, 2-3 second drop outs every once in a while. We'd welcome any upgrad that makes the system more stable and lowers latency.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Adam

    www.TheDuelingFiddlers.com

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    74. Jun 4, 2012 1:13 PM (in response to adamdegraff)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Upgrading requires the use of a V75 receiver, as it it the only piece offered that has a USB connection.  From there it is a simple process using Line 6 Monkey updater (free online).

     

    You might also read the tech note paper on Near/Far interference (on the documents page for XD-V) as that may have some impact since you are using multiple units.

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