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Sean_Clarke Just Startin' 65 posts since
Jan 24, 2009
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Apr 9, 2012 7:12 AM

Line 6 Rep or JTV69 owners; minimum distance from e strings to slope of fret

Hello

 

I had this problem on both e strings, read the threads on this forum about the Quality Control issue line 6 had with the fret angles filing etc. and returned my guiar 'as instructed on this formum' to be (I assumed) fixed.

After paying for the postage  it to be returned to Line 6 UK (both ways) it was returned with nothing done and just a note saying it was 'in tollerence'.

 

So, One simple question for line 6 before I take this further- what is the tollerance you allow from a string to 'off the neck' (I consuider this the start of the down slope of the fret).?

 

If it is publised and I am indeed in tollerence I shall drop the matter and pay to get my neck replaced myself.

 

FYI, If anyone at Line 6 cares, I am making  video for utube to show just how bad these necks are with a close up of the string over the slope of the fret and the letter from Line 6 UK saying thats how it is supposed to be!

    • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo 649 posts since
      Mar 20, 2010

      Hey Sean I have seen your issue and many other readers having the same issue in various threads.  I think you should keep up this fight, this is a design flaw, no question.  The specs should be such that a mm here or there on the filing shouldn't affect the playability of the guitar.  To me in Line 6 has said that your guitar is within spec, then it's the spec itself that is flawed.  For all we know the place you sent it for repair isn't aware of just how many JTV69 users are having difficulty with the strings slipping off.  Personally I don't think that even if they show you that the specs are such that you should let them off the hook.  If the guitar is unplayable by the number of players that are reporting this issue, who cares what they call "spec"?  I doubt the factory in Korea can file the frets steep enough to eliminate this problem, not even if they make the frets so sharp that they cut your fingers up.  This is a real issue and I think Line 6 needs to step up and address it.

        • sdunmire Just Startin' 38 posts since
          Oct 4, 2008

          I love it when people go running to some authority such as the government or the Better Business Bureau every time they don't like a product.  There is no law (anywhere, that I'm aware of) against making a product that people don't like. If you don't like it, return it.  Just because 100 people believe the "spec" is wrong doesn't make it so, since there is no agreed-upon standard for what a "right spec" should look like. 

           

          What's next, calling UK Trading Standards because the new 1.8 guitar sounds are too "roomy?"

          • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo 649 posts since
            Mar 20, 2010

            Well I'm just glad your JTV69 was perfect for you right out of the box and that you like the spacing of the strings on it. 

            • sdunmire Just Startin' 38 posts since
              Oct 4, 2008

              Who said it was?  I'm just saying that such things aren't particularly effective at getting resolution nor is it appropriate to complain because of a difference of opinion about how a guitar should be built. 

              • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo 649 posts since
                Mar 20, 2010

                sdunmire, he's been told that the issue, which numerous users are experiencing, isn't going to be fixed because it's spec.  He's not the only one who thinks that if that's spec, then they have "spec'd" a guitar that for many has a glaring issue.  I imagine if they spec'd a guitar that had all 22 frets jammed into the space between the nut and the normal position of the 3rd fret, also rendering the guitar unplayable that users should also not post any complaints.

                 

                Yes that example is obviously a stretch but I'm just making the point that there has to be a limit somewhere along the way where a company will say "Ya, you know what, lots of people are having issues with these necks.  Maybe, just maybe we should look into it." instead of "everyone's wrong James Tyler designed it therefore it's perfect!"

                 

                That doesn't really help everyone who can't play their guitars, or at least have to avoid using an entire string or two and Get By on the inner 4 strings.  It may have been wrong of me to assume your JTV69 was perfect out of the box, if it wasn't please share how you fixed the issue so that the OP doesn't have to make threads that you don't care for.  I'm positive he'd just rather fix the issue than come on here and complain.  Or maybe it was perfect out of the box, you have really said one way or the other you just posted the question "Who said it was?" which is neither a denial or admission as to whether my assumption as to the condition of your JTV 69 when you received it was or was not correct.  So I'm just asking which is correct and if you had to fix it how did you do it, let's help thus guy get his guitar playable.

                • sdunmire Just Startin' 38 posts since
                  Oct 4, 2008

                  @litesnsirens,

                   

                  I didn't talk about my situation because it wasn't relevant to my point. Which was wondering why people feel they should complain to the authorities when a particular company's product works in a way that they disagree with.  The instrument in question almost surely was purchased with a so-many-days-satisfaction-guarantee and (presumably) the problem was there all along. 

                   

                  So, rather than returning the product and moving on, the OP thinks the right thing is to keep the instrument and complain.  L6 may be propagating a poor design, but they are well within their legal rights to do so, as long as they are not engaging in unfair trading practices.  (Is it really unfair when  the customer had a reasonable opportunity to get their money back and presumably forfeited this opportunity?)

                   

                  Groups like Fair Trading and the US BBB were set up to prevent customers from being scammed.  This might be relevant if L6's dealers weren't allowed to take product back from unhappy customers, but that isn't the case here.

                   

                  I'm guessing the OP knew the problem existed from the day he got his guitar and chose to keep it and attempt to resolve it rather than return it.  This was his call, and given how amazingly awesome this guitar is otherwise, I might have made the same judgment. But you can't ignore the remedies provided and complain of unfair trade,  that's just plain irresponsible.

                   

                  As for "how to fix" his guitar, there are a few options:

                   

                  Have a luthier tweak it.

                  Replace the neck with a Warmoth neck, slightly wider

                  Alter his playing style

                  Try to appeal to Line 6' "humanity"

                  Live with it

                   

                  And, the final one, the OP's suggestion of contacting a consumer watchdog organization. 

    • Iknowathingortwo 1,667 posts since
      Jul 17, 2007

      Here's a photo of my second JTV-89KN.  My first was unplayable due to the frets being too wide for the neck and literally cutting my fingers while trying to play.  This second one was hand picked by the Line 6 Sales Rep working at AmericanMusicalSupply.com which is perfect and without any flaws.  I simply asked to speak to a CS supervisor, and calmly explained why I was sending back the guitar I had, what was wrong and that this was a well known and documented problem by line 6. She then said it would be handled in the manner I previously described.  It saved everyone much time, stress and money for AMS by making certain that the guitar being sent was exactly as it should have been before shipping it out.  I thin kif all owners took this calm, but firm approach, any reputable retailer company should be able to do what was done for me.  I have now a special rapport with AMS, but I didn't befoee this situation ocurred.

       

      Here's my photo of what I believe is how most or all of the string on any JTV model should line up.

       

      DSC02268.jpg

       

      Neal

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