Used the new sounds live last night for the first time. New acoustic sounds stand out beautifully against the band (Twin guitar,bass, drums line up)

We play Pinball wizard, Make me smile etc

I use X3 live straight into stereo DB speakers

It must be a personal preference thing, maybe. I used the old version live many times and it sounded good but Zingy. I changed nothing on my X3 patches and the new sounds slotted straight into the band, but sounded more real.

I was noodling at the end of the soundcheck and played a few bars of Extreme's More than Words and someone in the audience actually came up after and said they thought we had put the CD on because they were disappointed when the whole song didn't appear.

Is it possible that the people who are having a problem with the "roominess" of the new models are experiencing something different than those who are not feeing that way. Has everyone watched to Christian's video which compares the old acoustic models to the new ones? Do the people who think the new models are too roomy also think the same way when listening to the new models in Christian's video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkHLW2cYqLM

I just don't hear the roominess myself. The new ones just seem to sound better.

I think the problem is that we're talking about two different things here: the new ones sound better or more real if you play them on their own (IMO especially single notes and fingerpicking) but if you try to put them "into a band", let's say just strumming live on stage or maybe in studio, than you get a problem with the roominess because they're somehow in their own space and you can't change that because it's already in the sound!

So Christian's video is O.K. if you just want to know how the old and new ones sound but in a composition with other instruments or live with the band the new ones just don't blend in. It can be compared with mixing situation in studio: if you hear/solo the instruments and vocals on their own they don't usually sound good (sometimes even really bad!;-)) but in the mix they work...

I agree that we need a completely new approach to tweak the new acoustics if we want to use them because they sure don't work with the old patches. Maybe it would be a good idea Line6 would make some basic HD500 patches for us to start from and put them on CustomTone so we wouldn't waste too much time figuring out ourselves what to do. Somehow I feel left alone with this problem (and obviously some of you, too) and this sure would help...

I'm having no problem getting the new acoustics to sound good in the mix (compared to the old models).  And that's considering that I didn't have much time to tweak new patches before my last gig.  Since then of course I have continued to tweak but I've been tweaking down in my basement through one of my Bose L1's.  I'd be happy to share the patch I've come up with but I don't trust it yet, I can't be sure that I haven't eq'd the sound to my room.  I had to use a couple of parametric eq's, one to dial out a ring at 95hz and another to dial out it's octave at 190hz.  Until I get out and try it in some different rooms I won't know if that ring was from the models or a by product of the way I have the Bose set up in my basement.  Which brings me around to the same way of thinking with all the guys who are crying for better eq's. It would be great to have either a nice graphic eq or a parametric eq which allows you to dial in more than one frequency or both.

Anyway, I have like 5 eq's on this patch, and with all that it doesn't change the sound that much compared to just using a blank patch. Just smooths it out. What I'm trying to say is that I could probably do all that with one good eq.  And of course on the other hand, I may get this new patch out into to some other rooms only to find out I don't need a bunch of those eq's. So far the patch I have come up with (in my basement) sounds good on all 5 acoustic models.  I was never able to achieve that with the old models.

I'm sure a lot of it comes down to what we are playing through and where we are playing them.  Some guys are probably stuck playing through guitar amps that aren't full range which makes it really difficult to make an acoustic sound good. I also think it would be great for Line 6 to offer some new acoustic patches as starting points for the new models, maybe some designed to be played through full range systems and some designed to be played through a DT series amp which would likely translate decently to other amps as well.  And maybe even some just for recording via USB.  The reality is it's not really that much different than trying to get a real acoustic guitar to sound good in all those situations.  You can take a really nice acoustic guitar and play it and it sounds beautiful, right up until you try to stick a mic in front of it or stick a piezo pickup in it.  Even then you might get it sounding pretty decent on it's own but taming it into a mix is always a challenge.

That's a very nice video but...

I've just updated (again) to 1.81, in hopes I could get it to sound right, but still....hmmmmm....I can't!!!

Like I said before...the old acoustics sounded nice straight out, and they would get usable with little tweaking. I used mostly the #1 Martin. The new ones sound like the mic is 3 feet away from the guitar, and the only guitar I can get to sound close to what I want is the gibson j200 with the tone knob all the way "off".

I've also tried every acoustic patch on customtone and not much help came with that...I don't know what to do to get it to sound as on the videos from christian or line 6...

HELP!!!

will do tomorrow...

Awesome video! Wow...nice