Mar 29, 2012 12:07 AM
Patches for HD500 reproducing DT25 4 voicings
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Hello community and experts,
can somebody please post 4 patches for the HD500 which come clothest to the 4 voicings of the DT25.
I have given up even after reading hours in your posts.
I love line 6 and I bought many products but that drives me cracy![]()
Best regards
Thomas
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Not sure if these are going to be "exact", but they're HD500 patches that use the correct amp models for Topologies I-IV on the DT Series Amps... hope these give you a good starting point.
1. http://line6.com/customtone/tone/210888/
2. http://line6.com/customtone/tone/210438/
thanks a lot, this may help indeed, but I asked these experts which stated that both configuration sound exatly the same.
And they did lot of A/B comparisons.
They should come up with their patches as a proof.
I could make it.
Best regardfs
Thomas
Hi
I cant 'prove' my HD500 DT-xx test patches will sound the same on your amp as your amp sounds stand-alone because I don't have access to your amp, so only you can prove or disprove that the HD500 + DT-xx can sound identical to your DT-xx stand-alone.
Here's one of a few methods you could use to test your HD500 + DT-xx settings against your DT-xx stand-alone:
DT-50 Stand Alone Amp Model:
Topology and HD Preamp:
· I: Fender Blackface Deluxe
· II: Brit P-75
· III: Vox AC30
· IV: Treadplate with voicing IV on amp
DT-25 Stand Alone Models:
Topology and HD Preamp:
· I: Fender BF DBL Vib
· II: Brit P-75
· III: Vox AC30
· IV: Treadplate with voicing IV on amp
Note 1: an L6 Link connected POD with patches including the TREADPLATE PRE will set the DT-xx Topology to III instead of IV as it is on the amp when used stand-alone
Note 2: following the recent update for the POD HD500 series to firmware version 2.02 and possible changes to the amp models (unknown) there may be a slight difference between the DT-xx PRE amp models and the POD PRE amp models which may alter the sound slightly.
This is what I would personally do to get the HD-500 + D-xx amp to sound the same as the DT-xx amp in stand-alone mode.
Note that all amp models and settings on your POD have to be as near identical as the settings on the DT-xx as possible for this to work, otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.

That should work for you, but because of the differences that might now exist between the PRE models in the DT-xx because of its older firmware and the appropriate PRE models in the latest POD firmware version 2.02 and above, you may notice a slight discrepancy in tone.
I cannot give any assurances or guarantees but the method above worked well for me.
Providing patches to ‘prove’ any of this is not possible or valid, because the amp controls on other users’ systems are not available to me to ensure that both the POD HD patch settings and stand- alone amp settings are consistent. Only the end user has control of that.
Apologies for any text formatting issues. I created the main section in Microsoft Word 2010 and copied into the forum editor.
Nick
Hi Nick,
thanks for your answer.
so let me summarize:
I have a DT25 and extension cabinett.
So your advice is:
- Use " pre models"
- Use "Brit P-75 norm pre" not "Brit P-75 brt pre"
- Use "no cab" with the models
- Set HD500 to stack power amp (or combo?)
Am I right?
Best regards
Thomas
Hi Thomas
Sorry. Always use PRE models when using them in the POD with a DT-xx. Now, the Brt and Norm variants in my example came later than the current DT amp versions, but I believe the Brt PRE model is the same as the model used in the DT-xx but that does need checking to be absolutely certain.
I should probably have picked a different amp model for the example
If your DT-25 is a combo the output mode in the HD500 will be automatically set to Combo Pwr Amp too Stack Pwr Amp if you have the head and cab
Personally I would turn off cab modelling on the HD500 patch but that's just a matter of personal taste. Try with cab modelling on which will use 'live' versions of the cabs or off to see which works best. I'll try and find out which Brit-P75 model is in place in the DT series amps currently as that is quite important to know when you're trying to compare.
Nick
I think the DT amps have the Park BRT model as the NRM model was only added in 1.3
I wonder if the DTs could be updated in the future to model the Plexi in standalone mode? I think the Plexi is fantastic.
Today I had some time to compare.
It is definitively the P-75 BRT model.
@Nick: I found out that for comparison it is very sensitive to small changes in the EQ settings.
thanks a lot
Thomas
Yes. I checked too and it is what's now called Brit P75 Brt that was originally called just Brit P75
Pezza wrote:
I think the DT amps have the Park BRT model as the NRM model was only added in 1.3
I wonder if the DTs could be updated in the future to model the Plexi in standalone mode? I think the Plexi is fantastic.
I grew up playing guitar through a real Marshall 50w Plexi head with a Les Paul plugged in.
This might be way too much, but if Line 6 wished to model a plexi head, then it should not be just one or even two versions. Brt or Nrm.
The whole point of the head was to put all toen knobs on 10, not 11, but 10, then depending on if you were plugging in a Fender guitar which are much thinner and brighter sounding, or a Les Paul which is much darker than a Fender. Yes there were may other guitar models back when this head first came out, but the vast majority of performers had one brand or the other.
For those of use with LPs...
Wouldn't it be amazing if Line 6 tech could develop all of these parameters that the real head used to have?
I used to leave the cabinet cover that came with my 8x10 Marshall cab on and stick an SM57 microphone vertically inside to pick up just one of the bottom speakers. Later with louder stage bands, I used several small holes cut into the cabinet cover to allow just enough volume through to be loud enough.
Other had their own resolutions to this volume including putting a simple volume control on the back of the head to control the overall volume into the cabinet. Plus you also had to physically dial the head to the correct impedance. But dialing a higher impedance like 16 ohms while actually pulling 8 or even 4 ohms got some fantastic tone before blowing up the output. And there was the "good old standby trick" of removing one of the output tubes or two if you had a 100 watt head and let the amp overdrive half the output tubes it should have had to get an incredibly saturated sound before the output tube fried. The good old days of pure analog and the things you could do to get "new" sounds.
Wouldn't it also be amazing if Line 6 tech could figure out how to give all these multiple pick-up guitars enough physical controls like two vols/two tone and pick-up switch for blending both the bridge and neck pick-up without having to build a fixed version in Workbench? Perhaps mini toggle switches? Push/Pull knobs?
so cool!
i have followed these instructions exactly, and there is a huge difference. i set all knobs at 12, apart from the channel volume which is at ma, and master at 1-2. guitar direct into the amp is much louder, i ned to back the channel volume off to 11oclock to get in same ballpark, and there is still a lot more drive. any suggestions?
I suggest the following to get the results you are looking for...
Lastly - you need to do the following to get the utmost from the DT25 amp you have...
To access Channel B you must do the following for all four of your A-D Amp patches.
I hope this small instruction guide helps you discover what your gear is capable of doing.
Take care and best of luck,
Neal
PS - if you like this guide and it does help you get what you're looking for. I'd appreciate it if you posted how this worked for you. I can't learn more unless others write back and let me know how my suggestions or instructions worked for them. Thanks.
Addendum:
I only made the choices I suggested based on the ease of use working with those amps getting a wide variety of tonal options.
I do agree that the Vox 30TB or the Vox 15 are also terrific choices for Topology III if you want less input gain choices and stick within that British invasion scope of sounds.
I am not suggesting that my amp choices for each topology are the only ones. There are many that use Mode I, and Mode III. Marshalls pretty much cover Mode II but are not the only choice in this mode. And Mode IV seems to be only used by the ENGL Fireball model. I think if Line 6 had more than just the Dual Rect Mesa verson, you would probably see mode IV with other Mesa models.
Okay - here is a complete list of what modes switch when using the default amp models...
Mode I
Mode II
Mode III
Mode IV
This is the complete list of every model amp on the latest upgrade 2.02 for the POD HD units. All topologies listed are the ones that come up before any user adjustments or changes. All amps are Pentode-Class A/B unless listed otherwise.
I hope this clears up any possible confusion to my amp suggestion in my tutorial. The amp choices are 100% at the users discretion.
Marshall History - the original JTM-45.... (artical taken from Wikipedia)
Jim Marshall thought he could produce a cheaper alternative to American-made guitar amplifiers, but he had limited experience as an electrical engineer. He enlisted the help of his shop repairman Ken Bran and an EMI technician named Dudley Craven, and between them they decided they most liked the sound of the 4x10" Fender Bassman. They made several prototypes using the Fender Bassman amp as a model. The sixth prototype produced, in Jim's words, the "Marshall Sound".[3]
The first few production units almost copied the Bassman circuit, with American military surplus 5881 power valves, a relative of the 6L6. Speakers were then rarely able to handle more than 15 watts, which meant that an amplifier approaching 50 watts had to use four speakers. For their Bassman, Fender used four Jensen speakers in the same cabinet as the amplifier, but Marshall chose to separate the amplifier from the speakers, and placed four 12-inch Celestion speakers in a separate closed-back cabinet instead of the four 10-inch Jensens in an open-back combo. Other crucial differences were the use of higher-gain ECC83 valves throughout the preamp, and the introduction of a capacitor/resistor filter after the volume control. These circuit changes gave the amp more gain so that it broke into overdrive sooner on the volume control than the Bassman, and boosted the treble frequencies. This new amplifier, tentatively called the "Mark II", was eventually named the "JTM 45," after Jim and his son Terry Marshall and the max. wattage of the amplifier. Note: the actual wattage of the JTM-45 is 30 watts.[4]
Hi !
I own my hd500/dt50 for 2 month ago. If found DT50 sounds better than the pod pre amp models. I've read and post many messages in the forum, and everybody tell me the pod pre amp are the same. I spend many hours to configure my pod presets, but they still sound smaller, weaker than the DT50. My friends are agree, it's not my ears. I think the pod processor can't sound exactly as the dt50 amp.
Line6, your amp is so great, but we can't use it the way we want. Please update the pod hd 500 to control the entire DT50.
Maybe some one can post to mp3 or wave files doing a perfect A to B comparison
As regards trying to get the same sound out of the HD + DT as opposed to DT alone, I think people are missing the point slightly with matching tone knob setting etc. Obviously you want to match the amp model, voicing/topology and volume settings, but that's the easy bit. What about the settings which aren't selectable on the DT but are on the HD?
I'm thinking of:
Input settings - setting input 2 to 'same' or 'variax'
Impedance
Cab settings
Output settings - Direct/studio, combo pwr amp etc.
Mixer volume
From what I've found I get a much better likeness using input 2 set to 'same'. I was an ardent input 2 'variax' user but having gone back to 'same' after recent posts I think it's way better. Maybe L6 changed things in the last couple of updates.
It's fairly safe to assume the DT impedance is 1m ohm as all amp models are set to that. If you were using 270k it wouldn't sound as bright as the DT standalone.
Cab settings - I think the DT does use the default cab for the amp rather than 'no cab'
If using 'no cab' the output settings would have little or no effect, but I think they are used. It would make sense as the single speaker configurations have a relatively transparent speaker.
Output settings obviously depend on your configuration but the studio/direct sounds very different/wrong to me. I suppose the DT head might internally have the stack pwramp setting and the DT combo have combo pwr amp setting but I think this might be the area of difference. I prefer combo pwr with my DT25 head/HD500 as I'm using an openback Vetta 2x12 cab. I don't get any option in standalone mode - but it still sounds great!
Mixer settings should probably be on 0.
I may be barking up the wrong tree but I've got my HD500/DT25 setup sounding near enough to DT25 standalone quality to make me happy anyway. ![]()
In fact I don't think difference comes from the configuration. Pod HD 500 in my DT50 sounds "numeric", thin... I don't know how to describe it.
DT 50 stand alone sounds like a real amp. That's the reason why I would like to bypass the pod pre amp model and use it just like a midi controler and a mult effect. I don't know if it's possible, please tell me how.
Thanks
i agree.
but the experts here say the opposit. I think a fair comparison via mp3 files could decide. So come on
I seem to be having the same problem as a lot of people on here; I bought the DT25 and the HD500 on the strength of the sound of the DT25 and the idea of being able to control that sound transparently using the HD500. I've read so many posts with varying ideas about how to go about this and nothing I've tried gets the same sound using the L6 link as running straight into the DT25, Why can't Line 6 explain what settings the DT25 uses so that we can recreate those on HD500, my gut feeling is that they haven't because it can''t and that there is something fundamentally different about them.
I bought this amp because it's the best sounding valve amp I've ever played but it's so frustrating not to be able to use it as I envisaged. I'm now looking at using it as a multi FX but then I'm going to have to run an annoying ammount of cables across the stage in order to run some FX in the loop and some in front of the amp.
Willl someone from Line 6 please comment on this issue?
there are many posts here explaining the things you have to do... even videos of others proving it possible.... best advice, seek those out...
line6 will never comment on a thread this old... and generally wouldn't get wrapped up in a mostly subjective tonequest besides....
It is absolutly not understandable and disaapointing why there is no official statement from Line6.
The only reasons is that Line6 want or have to "hide" something negative. It is not because the thread is old.
If there exists an easy or logical way to control the DT25 via HD500 behaving soundwise like stand alone Line 6 would have told.
Ok the really good experts here try to calm done the user community by 100s of answers work around and ideas.
Maybe one time the customer community is so loud that Line 6 have to react.
it's not an attempt to calm anyone down... it's the truth... and i don't feel like holding your's or anyone elses hands through the process of sorting it out... when there are many resources already on the forum...
nobodoy is hiding anything relevent to this...
Hi,
Please I am having troubles with the changes of voicings via midi CCs.
In a nutshell, ... the amp lights change but the sound dont! ![]()
Really strange.... The drive knob seems to dont work either.
I am using a GSC-3 controller, and set the CC# and values acordingly to the chart provided by Line 6 Manuals.
If you have any suggestion I appreciate.
Thank you.
same
I got my two dt25 heads and cabs yesterday, I did a test pluging
Direct into one and the other one using my Pod Hd Pro and line6 link.
I'm not able to make them the same. The closest I'm able to get them is using twin vibe pre and turning of speaker sims. The documentation is not good, line6 clames they are the same.
Maby so, but they need to clear up how to set up the pod.
With or without cab sims etc...
Did some more extensive tests today:) I'm able to match the vocing 1 with my Pod HD Pro today using the Blackface twin vib pre. The trick is to turn of speaker sims. I've got two DT25 heads with matching cabs. This is the dream rig XL...
When you say match, did you have the tone controls set the same on both the DT25 and the Pod as part of the comparison?
Not 100% same settings on the pots, but it sounds the same:)
hmm interesting. Really as they are supposed to be the same amp emulations the same pot settings should apply :/
Does anyone find a way to make sound good DT50 with Pod HD 500 ?
I keep on reading post, trying different config, but still the same problem...
I can understand I do something wrong, but does anyone can tell me how to do, please ?
I'm having exactly the same problem, I've had the DT25 and HD500 for a few months and I've read the solutions from the so called experts (who I found to be rude and condescending in response to this issue), posted on here, I've tried the different configurations of cab, no cab, wearing different coloured socks etc. and I cannot get the HD500 to sound the same as the DT25. The DT25 just sounds much livelier in standalone whereas the HD500 has an artificial quality to it. There is obviously an issue here otherwise this question wouldn't be posed so often and the view count on this thread wouldn't be so high. Experts saying "it's been done so it must work" doesn't wash I'm afraid, who knows how good their ears are? To my ears they don't stack up.
I wish Line 6 would comment on this issue and at least post an official guide to setting up the HD500 to replicate the DT25.
Unfortunately line6 never anwser on this forum.
I agree, Expert user say verfy often : "Line6 told it's sound the same, so it's sound the same" or "I hear no difference, you must have done something wrong". I want to believe that. But how can you do. Please explain us exactly how you configure you're pod please.
Anybody ? Expert Users, please give us your secret ![]()
Experts please help, I have the same issue
I haven't find a osluiton, but this discussion is very interessting ; http://fr.line6.com/support/message/390300#390300
I spoke to a nice and knowledgeable line6 chap called Chris who confirmed for me that the preamp models in the hd500 are NOT the same as those in the dt25. Although they are modelling (roughly) the same amps, the models are not the same. This makes sense to me and confirms what my ears have been telling me all along. i'm happier now and can accept this explanation. its interesting tho that the previous line6 agent i spoke to tried to convince me of the exact opposite :/
to my ears at least, the dt25 models are superior, especially in regards to depth and clarity when you dig in with a lot of crunch or dist from the preamp. After upgrading the firmware, both the original and hd500 preamps should be available in the dt25 but i have not tried this yet.
well i can 100% confirm for you that this chap named Chris is wrong.
the models are 100% the same... the implementation of them is a bit different, as obviously with the pods you have a huge unknown for how the models will be amplified...
no such unknowns with the DT amps... and the models are optimized for that... not different, just ran through the magic of the DT amp, in a way that is true to the amp being modeled.
if Chris's explanation made you warm, fuzzy, and happy... continue to believe it...
I have firsthand knowledge that he's simply incorrect.
Can you please cite your source for that, to avoid sounding like 'some guy on the internet'.
There is no unknown on my hd500, the output is through the dt25 power stage, same as when the amp is running standalone. Unfortunately, fuzzy terms like "just ran through the magic of the dt amp in a way that is true to the amp being modeled[sic]" is not useful at all. Exactly what magic are we talking about here? The test case is that the preamp modelling is moved to the hd500 when using the link, there should be no other difference as the power amp, speaker and cab are common to both situations. I've tested every pod output option and toggled its cab modelling on and off, and my ears tell me (as do the official line6 support) that the preamp modelling on the hd500 is not the same. Close, but not the same. You, sir, are talking of warm fuzzy feelings and amp magic.
My source is myself, I have beta tested the DT50, and the pod HD's and have worked directly with the internal guys creating the amp models at Line6.
I cannot and will not be any more specific, because I have signed a non-disclosure agreement and really can't say much else.
you don't have to believe me...
and honestly i use words like amp magic, because i'm not an engineer etc and it's a quick and easy way of saying there's more going on in there than i care to, or have the capacity to explain in detail. perhaps you would understand alot of the internal circuitry etc more than i do....
i focus on understanding the sound coming out, and what pleases my ears.
So can you provide me with a patch (no effects etc, just a simple amp block) that sounds the same as my guitar direct into the dt25?
I would be especially interested in Topology II, or the P-75 pre as it's supposed to be, as mine sound very different. I also notice differences with the fender clean but that is a lot more subtle. I haven't tried much with the other two yet.
you probably just need to check the selected cabinets... that's where most people get lost... the DT amps do use emulated cabinets.
but no... unfortunately I don't have the time to honor such requests, as well as the fact that i specifically have a DT50 and not a DT25.
You might be on to something t_ere, lots of the advice has been to try this without the cab modelling. Any idea why the dt has cab modelling, since it has a cab anyway? I cant wait to get home and try this.
it just has the cab modeling, because the native cab doesn't always fit with the model being used...
if you have the DT 2.0 update and one of the midi interfaces etc... you might be able to "see" what's going on a little better...
i can't recall the default cab models... but i do recall that they DO have them....
Could not agree more with TheRealZap. I only tried to match the Type I on a DT25 and came to the conclusion that a BF Double Vibrato channel with Cab model is an exact match (as far as I can differentiate). But check yourself by setting up 2 simple tones: One with no preamp (will automatically select Channel B on DT25 and one with a BF Double Vibrato preamp + default Cab model (ER and Mic will be ignored). Set the tone stack controls on Channel B of the DT25 like you have the controls set on the BF Double preamp tone stack and A/B the effect by switching between the 2 tones. I did this a year ago, but I don't think anything relevant changed since then despite DT25 FW updates.
In regard to why Line 6 picked the Cab model to be on in the DT25 we can only guess: My favorite guess is that an HD500 FW update changed the HD Cab model so that it is sensitive to the type of Line 6 Cab you are actually using such that the outcome is an emulation of the selected Cab ... pretty wild, but possible via L6-Link. Whether this is true or not really does not matter. if you don't like what the Cab model does, just turn it off or pick another one.
Enjoy your HD500/DT25, I do ;-),
Martin
I've been toggling the amp block on and of, as you suggested, all along. And granted the bf vib is a pretty good match, close enough so i wouldnt worry. But have you tried the same with the topology 2? This is very different. The b-75 nrm pre (or was it the brght, i cant remember) is the closest, but it sounds pretty bad in comparison. I just went throug every cab model and the default is closest i think, but every single one of them sound squashed, lifeless and unclear. The dt25 top 2 sounds much more lush, deep, rich, high-def, howe_er you might describe it. I have all the knobs at 12 o clock apart from the master, so there is a bit of crunch in the sound. Just strumming a few chords is enough to hear the difference. Im talking mostly about a quality dference more than a tone one, the character is very much there, but the openness and fullness is not.
I seriously hope that i am missing some option or setting somewhere, because i am pretty unhappy with knowing that the amp can do much better, so much so that i am consi.ering sedding the pod and getting some p edals. I dont know how p ople can say these sound the same!! if anyone wants to send me a patch or describe the exact models for the british crunch topology 2 then id be happy to record an a/b which you can a/b with your own gear..
Really, you don't have to convince everyone that some tones sounds better to you straight through the amp.
You're not the only person who feels the way you do.
Certainly, there are some patches that sounds the same or better than the standalone amp can provide. But, I have tried many different things to use my HD500 to reproduce the Solo 100 Clean sound I hear straight from my DT50. I can't do it.
I keep trying, but regardless of what anyone tells me they hear, I know what I hear.
But, why argue about it? I can get the sound I want. I still use my HD500 for other sounds, and I occassionally try to get the Solo sound, but I love the sound of my amp.
So, why worry?
Why worry?
well, for one, i paid a lot of money for a good guitar and pickups, and now the amp too. I am satisfied with the sound of the amp alone, its flexiple and good sounding and has an appropriate balance between them.
however, a large part of the attraction was to be able to use it in connection with the hd500, and unfortunately i am not satisfied with the result. It seems i either need to use the poor sound of the hd500, or lose the tight connection and recall of patches. Bummer.
as there are a number of people saying that it works for them, and that they dont hear the same lifeless, sterile sound, i think they all cant be deaf. Which means that there is probably some as yet unidentified variaple or setting somewhere in the rig which is degrading the quality.
If so, its an easy fix to what is otherwise a rather large setup, sure, it might work for you, but for me, the tone is too degraded to use my hd500 to the point where i am wondering about getting rid of the hd500e but if its just an option somewhere... so yeah, its worth worrying about.
you should check out the posts, from the very wise and dearly departed Nick Mattocks here: http://line6.com/support/thread/78717?tstart=60
of course it is clearly subjective... obviously...
Thanks, i thought i'd seen all the threads on this but somehow missed that one. My test setup is exactly as described but with the latest hd500 firmare, ill need to look into downgrading to the mentioned ones for a test.
and subjective? No, it is not subjective, itis like night and day. The hd500 sounds crap, a deaf and retarded monkey could tell this. It has notking to do with subjective tone likeability, it is that the sound is crushed and lacks detail. I dont think it is digital clipping, its more like it has been reduced to 12 or 8bit with a blanket over it. With the dt25 i can hear each string ringing out in a chord, but with the hd500 i hear a digital crunchy mess which lacks any depth and body.
very frustrating as ive gone through all the settings many times and havent found the Suck on/off option yet
innovine wrote:
and subjective? No, it is not subjective, itis like night and day. The hd500 sounds crap, a deaf and retarded monkey could tell this
if you really believe this.... then i really believe that you are doing something wrong...
just quit whining and sell the hd500 already... it's obviously too much for you... and if the amp itself makes you happy move on.
There is no need to be rude. If I am doing something wrong, then I want to know what it is so I can fix it. I don't wanna sell my hd500, I want the dream rig which I purchased to work as expected, and as it obviously does for many people.
Comments such as "its obviously too much for you", coming from Mr Amp Magic "because i'm not an engineer etc" are pretty weak. I AM an engineer, and I expect an engineering solution to this, or an engineering explanation, or at the very least, an official "sorry we cannot explain that". And then I can sell my gear. Perhaps solving issues is too much for you, and you move on, but not me. As long as the issue is confused and speculative, there is a chance that it is a configuration error in my hd500, and so I am prepared to whine as much as it takes to get an answer from someone who knows more than "amp magic". This requires empirical testing, discussion, research and asking questions. If that is too much for you, you don't need to comment.
Sorry if my efforts to get to the bottom of this sound whiney. I am frustrated with both the so-called experts, and the line6 support in the face of an obvious problem. As an expert with 11000 posts I'd have thought you'd have learned how to show a little understanding for frustrated users by now.
i'm rude... and you're the one calling people retarded and deaf monkey's?
all i said that if it doesn't work for you unload it and move on.
i'm not here to offer understanding or technical schooling...
you have access to the same contact information as everyone else...
and although they may be constrained by a paycheck rather than an NDA... and offer it up on a nicer platter...
they aren't going to babysit you all day either...
Yes, I'm in contact with line6 already, since the forums are just filled with speculation and uninformed guesswork.
No, I'm not calling anyone deaf or retarded. Don't be so touchy. I mean that ANYONE on my end could hear the difference, we are not talking about audiophile level listening or what tone sounds better than what other tone. THAT is subjective. So instead, I've all my knobs set to 12 o clock, so it's not a matter of what tone sounds best. My test tone is equally bad in both cases, but there is a _quality_ difference that is night and day. If you are content to dial in different tones that sound good, then you will get good tones, and if you are happy enough with that then that's fine. You may never notice a difference, even if there is one.
Hola amigos, justamente quiero comprar el cabezal DT50 y potenciar mi HD500 y este tema me parece super bueno.
ahora tambien estoy comparando un Blackstar Serie one 1046L6 y el Egnater Toumaster.
sus comentarios y recomendaciones son muy importantes para mi.
desde ya gracias.
Hello friends, just want to buy the DT50 head and enhance my HD500 and this issue seems super good.
Now I'm also comparing a Blackstar Series One 1046L6 and Egnater Toumaster.
comments and recommendations are very important to me.
from already thank you.
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