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LarryLion Just Startin'
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Apr 24, 2012 1:10 PM

Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

I've just ordered my JTV-69, but before I did that, I checked every on-line video product demo I could find.  One of the guitars I'm hoping to replace on stage is my Rickenbacker 360/12, but I could not find a clip or sound sample anywhere.  Does anyone have a clip they can share with me? I've taken the plunge, so the guitar will arrive in a couple weeks, but I'd really like to know if I can start selling the Ric.  Also, does anyone have any rockabilly clips using the Gretsch models on the JTV?

 

Many Thanks!

  • ChristianArnold Just Startin'
    ChristianArnold
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:21 PM (in response to LarryLion)
    Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

    I make youtube demos of the variax and I would love to do that for you but I am not really a rockabily guitarist, nor do I really play 12-string type of music. Sorry man.

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:28 PM (in response to LarryLion)
    Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

    Unless you really need to sell the Ric soon I think it would be prudent to hang on to it until you've had a chance to play and test the JTV yourself. Give it some time. My personal feeling is that you will be well satisfied with it. But there's no point  in beiing hasty unless you need to be.

     

    I don't think a sound clip should be the basis of your decision. There are too many other factors at play in whatever sound you end up hearing from the clip. I think you should be sure you can get the sound YOU want, using YOUR equipment, before you get rid of that wonderful Ric that you already have.

  • LarryLion Just Startin'
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    Apr 24, 2012 2:03 PM (in response to LarryLion)
    Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

    Folks, you misunderstand ... I have bought the guitar, that's a done deal.  I'm sold.  I'm taking the plunge But I am simply curious ... I'm pretty convinced that if it can do the Les Paul, Tele and Strat sounds, and those awesome acoustic and reso models, it will do the Ric.  But I have yet to hear a Ric simulation, and I simply want to.  It is not going to change my mind, I assure all of you.  The JTV69 will make my life so much easier on stage, and won't have to schlep 4 guitars with me!  So if one of you has the JTV (any model), please put it in Ric 360/12 standard tuning, mic your amp on clean, and let me hear some jangle.

     

    Cheers!

    • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo
      litesnsirens
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      Apr 25, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to LarryLion)
      Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

      I don't think anyone was recommending waiting to buy the JTV, I think they were recommending don't sell your rickenacker yet until you try out the JTV.

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        Apr 26, 2012 6:46 AM (in response to litesnsirens)
        Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

        I agree with litesnsirens  -- don't sell your Rick even if you love your new JTV. I did that with a Gretsch Country Gentleman -- just got a new guitar and couldn't justify to myself to keep the Gretsch, so I sold it. I've regretted it ever since -- it was in the early '80's. Like the Country Gentleman, the Rick 360/12 is an iconic guitar....

         

        My 2 cents...

        Dave

    • Iknowathingortwo
      MerlinFL
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      Apr 28, 2012 12:28 PM (in response to LarryLion)
      Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

      I agree with all of those who posted their perspective on your question.

       

      My original impression with the first JTV running 1.70 then 1.71 was that the least improved models were the Ric 12-string models.  While most improved from the original Variax guitars to the JTV guitars were the acoustic models which have yet again been changed in the JTV 1.81 update.  Their are two side of this and I'm on the side of those who prefer the 1.71 acoustic models over the newer 1.81 models.

       

      Still nothing has been done to improve the Ric 12-string guitars.

       

      I would be happy to produce a video demo of both Rick 12-string models playing bits of well know songs using a Rickenbacker 12-string guitar like Tom Petty, The Beatles, etc.

       

      If you still would like video demos of those models, I'd be happy to do very quick one-take demos and post them for you.  I've done this for someone in the Dream Rig forum regarding the sound of all the acoustic models directly from just the Dream Rig set-up.  They felt their acoustic sound were severely lacking, and asked for someone to post a video.  I did and showed that although none of the Line 6 amps have tweeters, you can get pretty amazingly authentic acoustic sounds just with the JTV guitar (1.81 in my demo), a POD HD500, L6 Linked to my pair of DT50 1x12 combos.

       

      Just ask if you are still interested.

       

      Take care,

      Neal

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      May 6, 2012 6:45 AM (in response to LarryLion)
      Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

      LarryLion wrote:

       

      Folks, you misunderstand ... I have bought the guitar, that's a done deal.  I'm sold.  I'm taking the plunge But I am simply curious ... I'm pretty convinced that if it can do the Les Paul, Tele and Strat sounds, and those awesome acoustic and reso models, it will do the Ric.  But I have yet to hear a Ric simulation, and I simply want to.  It is not going to change my mind, I assure all of you.  The JTV69 will make my life so much easier on stage, and won't have to schlep 4 guitars with me!  So if one of you has the JTV (any model), please put it in Ric 360/12 standard tuning, mic your amp on clean, and let me hear some jangle.

       

      Cheers!

      Is there a reason you prefer the rick 12 strings? I am not crazy about the rick sounds on the JTV but am not crazy about ricks in general.

       

      I made my own 12 string variations in work bench. Do you use stereo set up live?

       

      If so, you can try what I did. I lowered the volume of the non octave strings of a 12 string in workbench. I then swapped the pickups for filtertrons or similar as I hate brittle rick sounding pickups, but that is just personal taste.

       

      Now we are left with just the octave strings sounding. Sounds like nashville tuning. So far so good.

       

      Next set up a patch on the POD with mags going to one amp and models to another. Pan one hard left the other hard right. Put a delay set to 20ms on one channel with 100% wet to space it out even more. If you are anything like me, you won't miss the rick;-)

      • LarryLion Just Startin'
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        May 7, 2012 10:23 AM (in response to toasterdude)
        Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

        Toaster

         

        That is a great suggestion!  I'm going to try that - you're amost describing "Ric-O-Sound", the standard stereo out built into the 360/12.

         

        By the way, regarding your comment on "why Rickenbacker", I admit, these are really specialized guitars with a unique sound.  Not very practical, and I can take 'em or leave 'em, but my band has a set list with a few Ric 360/12 songs in it, and a few that need a baritone, plus a slew of tuning changes. Being a small band, with no roadies , we had to either dump the songs from the set lists for certain gigs that  were low on real estate for physical guitars, or (worse) put up with me changing guitars and enduring longer intervals between songs, where the singers would eventually run out of ways to distract the audience while I changed guitar/tuning.  The Variax is (hopefully) a way to get all the sounds we need, and with low overhead.  So in evaluating the Variax via Youtube, I satisifed myself that it could do everything I needed, except the Ric 360/12.  Nobody has (to date) posted a clip of that mode, or those that have, don't play Ric-specific riffs, so it's hard to tell whether it is a good simulation or not.  That alone should be a clue that the Ric sims are not that good, I suppose.

         

        Just FYI, a lot of 12-string Rickenbackers are in  the Beatles, Byrds and Tom Petty catalogs, as well as 12-string electrics (other brands) in R.E.M.  We play something from all of their catalogs in our set list, unfortunately.

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    May 9, 2012 6:42 AM (in response to LarryLion)
    Re: Rickenbacker 360/12 Sound Clip

    Folks

     

    My JTV-69 arrived, and I'm happy to say that, as far as I'm concerned, the Rickenbacker 360/12 modelling is great.  Not perfect, but certainly good enough for our bar gigs.  I will post some side by side comparisons now that I have both an actual Ric 360/12 and the JTV, for your listening pleasure.

     

    Thanks for all the suggestions!

     

    Larry

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