Currently Being ModeratedMar 12, 2012 5:22 AM (in response to Goochster)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
That's great that you found something you really dig the sound of regarding the Vox gear.
I bought my SV HD 100 mkii in Jan of 2011 and only played it sparingly.After about one week I decided to make a few of my own patches,it took me about 30 minutes. I had the amp head up really high on a shelf at around eye level and only used the amp knobs(no pc editor thing).
I quickly dialed in a basic clean and a generic useful distortion sound(KentAirBreath and KenthrtfulSoul respectively,both on CustomeTone) and to me they are absolutely killer. Of course I may be slightly biased as I created them lol.
But seriously,I've played tons of different gear and that clean is absolutely stunning and very versatile with guitar pot and pickup selector adjustments.Same goes for the distorted patch.
The distorted patch is the most simple grab of just a tube screamer sim and some delay and kicks a**.The sustain on it does die out on it a bit quick but I've never messed with it since and love the tone.I'll probably clone that one someday and adjust the gain or noisegate to make it ring out longer.
I'm not telling you this to try and disuade you from any decision making process,I'm just saying that those two tones alone(as long as the amp doesn't cr*p out) keep me really liking this amp and making it very difficult to consider parting with.
I had a time when I freaked out too and slammed L6 for some of their shottyness on this amp and especially the FBV mkii and if the amp dies or I have no parts support I'll freak out again but those two tones are so wicked thru my guitars I'm a happy camper.Two of the best I've ever heard.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 12, 2012 10:30 AM (in response to SSstormtrooper)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
Thanks for your feedback SSstormtrooper. I know I can always count on you for sound advice.
I'm sure this amp is probably amazing cranked up but I just feel its probably not really suited for low volumes at home. I bought it hoping to get the best of both worlds. Low volume for home and then maybe a bit of jamming in the future at high volume but that side never materialized.
I find I can get some fairly good cleans using clean blue, reverb, sine chorus and digital delay for just picking but then rhythm cleans just sound plain awful no matter what settings I try to tweak. On the other hand I find with distorted tones I can get some half decent rhythm tones using metal amber or insane amber with tube screamer, digital delay and sine chorus or line 6 flanger plus a little reverb. Its when I'm soloing with distorted tones I just get a hideous shrill tone that breaks up way too quickly. The only way I can hold the tone is by giving it shed loads of vibrato. I've tried new strings, different pick up positions and height. I've messed with the sound gate but still can't get a decent tone. I think I've also tried nearly every patch on customtone. I'm putting it down to the fact that maybe at low volumes a decent tone can't be achieved. At high volume with the valves being pushed it would maybe sound a whole lot better. BTW I'm using an Ibanez RG1570z and a Yamaha Pacifica.
Thats why I was so amazed at the difference with the Vox Valvetronix VT20+. Maybe because its a small amp and solid state that that is why it sounds great at low volumes. I suspect that it wouldn't hold up so well if it was cranked up. That's why I was asking for peoples experience of the VT40+, VT80+ and VT 120+. Becuse these amps are equipped with attenuators I thought maybe I could still drive the preamp at low volumes and get the best of both worlds. After trying it the other day I was amazed at the tones that could be achieved, and when soloing the notes just sustained forever. I'll probably pose those questions again on the Vox forum.
My FBV Express died last week but is still in warranty. So it was only because I was in the shop sorting that that out that I got round to trying the valvetronix after hearing so much good stuff about them.
Anyway thanks again for replying and I'll try your patches when I get my FBV back and let you know how I get on.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 12, 2012 3:03 PM (in response to SSstormtrooper)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
Thanks SSstormtrooper for pointing out a couple of tones that you are truly happy with. So many of the tones on Customtone are really not very good at all. I've asked people to post some settings/tones and the ONLY response I received was to look in the lounge....they couldn't even at least give me one, just look in the lounge. I'm definatly going to track thoughs tones down and give them a whirl. Thanks again for taking the time to try and help out fellow SV users. Greatly Appreciated !!!!
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2012 9:37 PM (in response to Goochster)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
With the idea of cranking it up and keeping bedroom volume levels, what about using a Variac and then turning the amp all the way up and dailing down the voltage? Will this damage the amp?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2012 5:05 AM (in response to Goochster)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
Yes, at low volume, the sound is not very "opened", it needs to be louder to have a great sound. It depends quite of the guitar you have and the amp model, some need to be at a higher volume to sound "good".
But, when you play in appartment, you don't have many choices : either you have to buy an 5W amp with a good speaker (Blackstar does some), either you use a Pod, or you use a variac, but I don't kow if you can use one with the Mk2, not sure at all because of the modeling stuff.
To me, you can't have a 40/50/100 W amp and play it with a good sound in an appartment.
I'm happy with the Valve mk2 but some amp models sound better than others at low volume.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 2:43 PM (in response to Goochster)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
I recently picked up a Spider II 150 1/2 stack, and I do love it. However, I also never got "the tone" I was looking for. I do think the Spider 2 has one of the best clean tones I have ever heard, and it stays clean when I turn it up. I never got the "Brown Sound" I was looking for, and I went out and picked up a Peavey 6505 (aka 5150). I owned a 5150 in the 90's and I gave it away when I retired from playing. I tried all the presets, went to the store and even tried a Spider 4 head to see if an upgrade would fix my tone, but none of this did (the Spider 2 had more low end and seemed close that the 4). I looked at the Spider Valve heads, but they were out of my price range. I was lucky and stumbled upon a used but in A+ condition Peavey that I knew from previous expereince would make the tone I like the best. I tried everything, all presets, even bought some pedals, and I have to say the MXR FullBore Metal is an excellent pedal with a built in gate that works wonderful. Even though I got the 5150, I kept the MXR because I liked it sooo much. So, for my "Brown" sound, I use the 5150, and on the Spider, I use my presets with the MXR and it gets close. However, you just can't get that tone out of any of the Line 6 amp compared to the real thing, and I am such an EVH fan I could always tell. Others not addicted to older VH might be fine getting 90% of the tone, but I wanted 100%.
I don't know what tone you are looking for, but if it is my tone, consider a 5150. It is sooo easy, turn on the amp, select the lead channel, gain, presence, and resonance set to 11, and you are good to go. That easy! The clean channel is OK, nothing as pure and my Spider's clean tone, but good enough to get by. Even at 0.5 volume, the 5150 delivers the "Brown" like few other amps can. I would like to see how well the new 5150's direct from EVH compare, but the Peavey really nails his tone with no effort at all, hence the reason why they teamed up with Eddie.
So, I guess my question is, what tone are you trying to attain? I do wish Line 6 would include more of the older amps in the SpiderEdit software, like Fender does with their Fuse software, but that is just wishfull thinking.
Good luck, I was so frustrated that I went and bought the amp that makes the tone I love, but I also fell in love with the Line 6 products, and they are my "clean" tone amp of choice now.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 9, 2012 6:41 AM (in response to howarddavidp)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
In retrospect I may have been a bit harsh in my assessment. Since my first post I have done plenty of tweaking from scratch and have made some headway with the clean and distorted tones I am trying to achieve. With the cleans I'm trying to find more a sparkling glassy clean tone with chorus, delay and reverb. Most clean tones I've tweaked or downloaded in the past seem to have no life and it sounds like there is a blanket over the amp. As for the distortion I'm trying to achieve a good 80's rock tone. I'm nor far off but not quite there. The one thing I have noticed though is that when I was using v1.17 I achieved a better distorted tone at low volumes but unfortunately I couldn't use spider edit with it. When I went to v2.00 the distorted tone went downhill a bit. I think a few others have mentioned the same problem.
I suspect though that at loud volumes though this is an awesome amp. Unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to really crank it up. But I am getting there at lower volumes and plan to persevere irrespect of my first post.
All that said I have recently discovered the joy of the Line 6 UX1 Pod Studio and Reaper recording software. I've got to say the UX1 is an amazing bit of kit and so my amp is getting a little less attention for the time being. Although I do also plan to use it for recording as well as Pod Studio.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 9, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to Goochster)Re: Time to sell the Spider Valve?
Yes, you ALWAYS need to start patches from scratch as there are just too many variables that come into play when using other peoples patches. Sometimes you do get lucky though, but it's just better to make your own. This amp IS awesome at louder volume, it really "opens up" after you hit noon on the Master Volume. But, you have to create patches at that loud volume as the low volume patches do not translate well. If you want a good 80s rock tone, try the Insane Blue model, start with the gain set at noon and then tweak from there. I use it as my main lead tone...