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airguitargb Just Startin' 19 posts since
Apr 13, 2006
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May 15, 2012 12:17 PM

i want a bigger sound when soloing please

hi i am in a 3 piece rock covers band and always struggling to fill out my lead sound when soloing, we sound great when its drums, bass and rythem but as soon as I go off on a solo the sound naturally sounds very thin, any idead how to beef up my sound please? gear POD HD 500 Marshall DSL 50 w with 4 x 12. I am aware that somewhere in the POD there is the right sound but i have played around with various delays, found patches and tweaked them, i plug in using the 4CM. thanks

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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    May 15, 2012 12:35 PM (in response to airguitargb)
    Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

    Get another guitarist...

     

    Seriously, though, I think a big thing is to not to try to do too much. A band that comes to mind is U2. Bono occasionally plays guitar, but the majority of time, it's just the Edge. His solos tend to be low on the noodily-doodily stuff, and are built around a solid melodic core. He often throws in chords during the solo, too. As far as effects, of course delat can help, but even then, it's not like you have to have it.

     

    I know it's kind of vague, but I really think your question has more to do with technique than tone. Just focus on the fundamentals of the song, and finding the right sounds will come.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    May 15, 2012 12:52 PM (in response to airguitargb)
    Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

    loop da loopah!

  • malnack Just Startin' 40 posts since
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    May 15, 2012 2:36 PM (in response to airguitargb)
    Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

    I think you can make it work with your mates changing what they are doing when you take off for a solo. Depending on the length, there might be an opportunity for some real dynamics where the bass and drums are initially simple and build in complexity during the solo. The bass players pattern can expand from root notes to include runs and octaves and as the solo builds the drummer can intensify his pattern. In some cases the looper might be helpful as TheRealZap has suggested.

  • jstock Just Startin' 60 posts since
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    May 16, 2012 12:48 AM (in response to airguitargb)
    Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

    Tricky question is this and the guys have all provided good ideas here.

     

    I will take a different angel - do you mean that your solo  is not standing out enough - cutting through the mix properly?

     

    In which case add in a stomp (in front of the amp) to add a little more gain. Chuck in a delay as well. Finally increase the volume of your solo patch either with a boost or volume pedal.

  • Gillespie1983 Just Startin' 19 posts since
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    May 16, 2012 3:41 AM (in response to airguitargb)
    Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

    For solos, punch in an extra amp located possibly on the other side of the drummer to give a stereo feel.  Run a POD XLR out to your PA in addition to connecting to your DSL.

    • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo 649 posts since
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      May 16, 2012 4:28 AM (in response to Gillespie1983)
      Re: i want a bigger sound when soloing please

      I spent most of my younger years doing the 3 piece thing and what I wouldn't have given to have an HD500 back then. One of the things to be sensitive about is that your solo level shouldn't have too much of a boost compared to your rhythm level. It's kind of a less is more kind of thing.  When you're playing with another guitar player you need a boost in level so that you can hear the articulation of the solo but if you use that same boost with just a 3 piece band you're going to find that you'll be way out on top of the bass and drums instead of having a nice mix.  When it's just bass and drums behind you you're guitar has no competition for it's frequency range the way it does if there is still a rhythm gutiar playing.  So I guess bottom line is that it's not about getting a bigger solo sound it's about getting a bigger band sound while you're soloing and that's why you think it sounds fine when you're playing rhythm and all the levels are even.

       

      On top of that there are some other good suggestions regarding the tone itself.  Nothing too bright, I like to use the classic distortion and turn the filter up to 100% which really takes the edge off, kind of gets you part way to that neck pickup solo sound while you are on the bridge pickup except that you still get a bit more bit from being on the bridge pickup.  But really, the first thing to try is to bring your solo levels down.  If you listen to RUSH you can still hear all the notes that Geddy is playing in the background while Alex is soloing.  I would suggest all the years they have been around and doing it, they know a thing or two about how to do 3 piece bands.

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