Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2012 7:16 AM (in response to LarryLion)Re: Open JTV Question for Line6
workbench is alot more powerful than you think....
check out this thread (and the models he posted)
the biggest hurdle for me is the knowledge needed to get other models...
cause lets face it... other than active pickups, not much has changed really... other than the specs etc that you can adjust in workbench.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2012 7:31 AM (in response to TheRealZap)Re: Open JTV Question for Line6
I've played around witha bunch of models that others have uploaded, and while some of them are interesting, my opinion is unchanged. I have not found a "modern" telecaster sound, or a modern LP for that matter, and no matter how I try, I cannot get the sound of a current Gretsch either (I've tried customizing the R-Billy models, to no avail). The two most useful JTV models, in my opinion, are the Spank position #4, and Chime position #2, because they are "typical", as is the Gibson acoustic (#5). I also use the "novelty" Reso settings, but frankly I just don't care whether they are accuratesims or not. The Acoustic Martins (#1, #2 and #3) are not only not representative of today's Martin acoustics, but I think Line6 is missing the point: the acoustics they should be building into the JTV's are things like Taylors and Takamines, which are the predominant stage acoustics today, or MAYBE a Martin 000-28EC. My "practical" list of guitar models for stage use would include those, a current Telecaster, a 2008 Gibson Les Paul Standard, a Brian Setzer Hotrod and/or a White Falcon, a modern Gibson ES-335, and most definitely, a Gibson SG - how they missed that one is beyond me.
I think there are two markets here: one is people that want to own the tone of some vintage collectible guitars through simulation, and the other is for practical musicians that want to replace a half-dozen guitars as a gig with the JTV, for convenience. That second market, I believe, needs a different, i.e., "typical" set of models. Line6 has made a huge step forward with the Variax, make no mistake, it's just a pity that it is aimed at the first market segment.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2012 8:28 AM (in response to LarryLion)Re: Open JTV Question for Line6
I think your point is good, but I think from Line 6's perspective, it's always going to be a matter of making choices when it comes to what models to leave in and what to not put in. As far as a typical Strat, Tele, etc. that can even be hard to nail down. Fender, for example, recently changed the type of pickups it put in the American Standards Strats and Teles. There are some people who say that the Standard Tele actually is a bastardization of the historic Tele (it's not uncommon to hear people call them too "polite" or something like that.)
I agree with Zap that Workbench does give the user a chance to get the base models at least somewhat closer to what they have in mind. You might be surprised at what you can coax out of the guitar.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2012 8:48 AM (in response to phil_m)Re: Open JTV Question for Line6
I'm going to try some of the models that Zap suggested, but my comments should be viewed more as "wish-list" than anything else. I'm among the first to say "hat's off to Line6" for what they have achieved, and after all, their focus groups and marketing folks may have figured out that vintage sounds are better sellers than modern ones. That would be a business decision, and nobody can second-guess Line6 on that score.
I hope the day will come when we have a library of models (simulations) and virtual components available, not just what ships with the guitar. I know that Line6 has some pretty decent Classical guitar models they invented for one of the earlier Variax's, for instance, and probably a bunch of others.
For the record, I did create a Keef-like Telecaster using the WB, and it came out pretty decent. I placed it in T-MODEL, position 4, replacing that awful model that ships with the JTV.