Jun 18, 2012 6:57 AM
Open JTV Question for Line6
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Folks @ Line6: I bought the JTV, like so many others, because I saw a practical alternative to taking 4 or 5 guitars to a gig, more flexibility, and faster song transitions. The JTV delivers all of that, and I know I made a good investment. However, there is one overriding issue (if I can call it that) that I think Line6 got wrong with the concept. Here it is: you have modelled "classic" guitars - 1959 Strat, 1960 Tele Custom, '58 LP Standard, etc., etc. For all I know, you've done a great modeling job. Those choices may have been desirable for some folks, but practically speaking, who cares if the Variax models some impossible-to-get, vintage guitar? If you had simply modeled a TYPICAL Strat, Tele, Les Paul, the JTV would be an incredbly useful tool, i.e., by covering off the guitars we actually use. May of the Tele models, for instance, a re NOT representative of modern Tele's. I think the same can be said of the LP's, and definitely the ES-335 model you have in there is a long way off the current Gibson model.
The Variax workbench does not help, since it comprises all the modules that made up the built-in models anyway. I cannot make a modern Tele sound out of the tools you have provided, unless I play around with EQ.
You have created an incredibly useful tool for a gigging musician, that does not have the luxury of a guitar tech/roadie. Would be nice if you carried that practicality all the way through the design concept: my wish list, then, is for models that represent CURRENT guitars. Oh, and a Gibson SG, please (a current one!).
workbench is alot more powerful than you think....
check out this thread (and the models he posted)
http://line6.com/support/message/331045#331045
the biggest hurdle for me is the knowledge needed to get other models...
cause lets face it... other than active pickups, not much has changed really... other than the specs etc that you can adjust in workbench.
Zap
I've played around witha bunch of models that others have uploaded, and while some of them are interesting, my opinion is unchanged. I have not found a "modern" telecaster sound, or a modern LP for that matter, and no matter how I try, I cannot get the sound of a current Gretsch either (I've tried customizing the R-Billy models, to no avail). The two most useful JTV models, in my opinion, are the Spank position #4, and Chime position #2, because they are "typical", as is the Gibson acoustic (#5). I also use the "novelty" Reso settings, but frankly I just don't care whether they are accuratesims or not. The Acoustic Martins (#1, #2 and #3) are not only not representative of today's Martin acoustics, but I think Line6 is missing the point: the acoustics they should be building into the JTV's are things like Taylors and Takamines, which are the predominant stage acoustics today, or MAYBE a Martin 000-28EC. My "practical" list of guitar models for stage use would include those, a current Telecaster, a 2008 Gibson Les Paul Standard, a Brian Setzer Hotrod and/or a White Falcon, a modern Gibson ES-335, and most definitely, a Gibson SG - how they missed that one is beyond me.
I think there are two markets here: one is people that want to own the tone of some vintage collectible guitars through simulation, and the other is for practical musicians that want to replace a half-dozen guitars as a gig with the JTV, for convenience. That second market, I believe, needs a different, i.e., "typical" set of models. Line6 has made a huge step forward with the Variax, make no mistake, it's just a pity that it is aimed at the first market segment.
I think your point is good, but I think from Line 6's perspective, it's always going to be a matter of making choices when it comes to what models to leave in and what to not put in. As far as a typical Strat, Tele, etc. that can even be hard to nail down. Fender, for example, recently changed the type of pickups it put in the American Standards Strats and Teles. There are some people who say that the Standard Tele actually is a bastardization of the historic Tele (it's not uncommon to hear people call them too "polite" or something like that.)
I agree with Zap that Workbench does give the user a chance to get the base models at least somewhat closer to what they have in mind. You might be surprised at what you can coax out of the guitar.
Phil, Zap
I'm going to try some of the models that Zap suggested, but my comments should be viewed more as "wish-list" than anything else. I'm among the first to say "hat's off to Line6" for what they have achieved, and after all, their focus groups and marketing folks may have figured out that vintage sounds are better sellers than modern ones. That would be a business decision, and nobody can second-guess Line6 on that score.
I hope the day will come when we have a library of models (simulations) and virtual components available, not just what ships with the guitar. I know that Line6 has some pretty decent Classical guitar models they invented for one of the earlier Variax's, for instance, and probably a bunch of others.
For the record, I did create a Keef-like Telecaster using the WB, and it came out pretty decent. I placed it in T-MODEL, position 4, replacing that awful model that ships with the JTV.
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