Currently Being ModeratedNov 10, 2009 3:11 PM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
hello Brandis, I was wondering if you ever found out an answer to your question because I'm trying to find out the same thing. Thanks, sibby
Currently Being ModeratedNov 11, 2009 12:33 AM (in response to sibby)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
No, - No one ever responded to my question. After discussing it with the staff in my local music store, they tried to get me an answer from the national Line6 provider, but I never really got any satisfiying answer.
However from what I got I have desided to take the chance, so I have ordered the X3 pro, and I am now awaiting it with exitement
When ever I have tested the issue I will post an answer to my own question on this forum.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 11, 2009 6:02 AM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
much appreciated, I'm borrowing a Pod Pro from a friend (an older Pod model). Maybe when I figure out how to work it I can find out the answer to my question. I have a Boss GT-6 and it definitely is not going to work, completely changed the entire sound of my rig (in a bad way). Probably like you, I'm trying to get some pedals off the ground and out of there.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 5, 2010 6:29 PM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
Look here: You can run it with 4 cables bypassing the modeling or you can run the two tones seperately...one for pre and one for post http://line6.com/community/docs/DOC-4742
I have a Mesa Boogie Lonestar 2x12 that I use the 4 cable method with. Works great.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 6, 2010 4:39 AM (in response to webe123)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
4 cords? ok. I never got the pod, still looking for an amp I can live with. In the meantime a friend of mine recommended the line 6 m9 which supposedly has true bypass or soft bypass (whatever that means). I figure I'll stay away from the pre amp section because I only want the delays, reverbs, chorus', etc. Hopefully it can be run through the effects loop without changing original amp sound. Have you guys heard the Orange Tiny Terror? Holy ****!, what a great sound, but too small and no effects loop. I heard one of the new 50 watt marshall heads with tons of options, didn't think it sounded that good. What I wanted was a dual rec rackmount (which was only sold in mid to late 90's), but they want an arm and a leg for them now and they're used. The search goes on.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 2, 2012 10:47 AM (in response to webe123)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
I know this thread is a bit old, but I still give it a try as it is kind of a follow up on my original post:
When I bought my PodX3pro back 2 yrs ago, I tried to hook the pod up to my Mesa Boogie Mark III with the 4 cable method. I didnt really get satisfied, mainly because of an anoying "buzzing" noise when using the hot/hi-gain channel. Therefore I ended up using the pod mainly through a couple of activ speakers. That has been working fine for me, and besides I get to use exactly the same tone as when recording via the SPDIF out on the pod.
Eventually, however, I`m beginning to miss the tone from my tube amp, and I`ve been giving the 4-cable method a second, and more serious try. I`ve now wired the pod to my amp like this:
Guitar ---> Pod input (guit 1-front), Pod loop send ------>Boogie guitar input, Boogie loop send ------> Pod loop return, Pod 1/4 inch output ------> Boogie loop return.
I`ve played with the pods loop send and return levels so the signal strength from the"pods loop-send" matches my guitar input, and that the overall output level from the Boogie is aprox the same as when using the amp alone. I`ve also tried putting the loop in a pre- and in a post- position.
The positive thing is that I get a really satisfying sound/tone. The Tube distortion from the amp as well as the "punch" from the amps speaker is just the same with the pod connected as it is with the amp alone. And I get to use all the effects in the Pod in whatever way I wish.
BUT: There is a really anoying "buzzing" noise from the amp which is not present when the pod is disconnected. The noise is of a more high frequency than what is discribed as a "ground-loop- hum". I`ve done a lot of testing and my conclusion is that the noise originates from the pods loop-send. I`ve tried the following wiring;
Guitar -------> Pod input (guit 1-front), Pod loop send -----> Boogie guitar input
This setup is like putting the Wha-pedal, noise gate and other pre-preamp effects of the pod between the guitar and the amp-front input.
The noise is still there, meaning that it is not genereated by the tube-preamp sound traveling through the pod.
I`ve also made sure to use grounded "clean" power, and I`ve tried several combinations of switching on/off the "ground-lift" of the Pod, and the "Ground A-B-off" switch on the amp. There is no difference in the ammount of noise.
It is not really acceptable to use the amp and Pod in this way as long as this noise is present (even if you dont hear the buzzing while playing). It is kind of frustrating not beeing able to get rid of this obstacle, as I feel that I am very close to success in having a really great setup. I hope that there is someone out there who knows some "magic" that helps. I would be grateful for your comment
Currently Being ModeratedApr 1, 2012 8:36 AM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
Hello I use the Pod for several years and now I let the amps for a traditional PAsitema composed Pod Mixer, matrix effects, SR Club 2 speakers, 300 watts.
Before Iobtained good results in this configuration, guitar> POD X3L> pod Send> AmpReturn - always with balanced cables. I had the Mack IV, but eventually I had toexclude the pre. The solution Guitar> Mesa> Mesa send> Pod> and the variouscombinations had much punch but the noise is inevitable.
To exploit the Mesa hadtaken this road Guitar> switch A / B >>> A pod> B Mesa. in this way had the twocombinations and the ability to use the Mesa directed by excluding the pod, or usepre exclude the Mesa and the pod with the end of Mesa. However the solution to leave the traditional amplifiers has solved all the problems and I opened a universeof possibilities.
One solution, if it sounds like the Pod X3L punch combo and have ittake two combo boxes or as amplified type Tech21 Belev with Axe-Fx Ultra 2 andAtomic Reactor FR Rig.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 1, 2012 10:39 AM (in response to acerboni)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
I am not quite ready to give in on this problem yet. I have read severeal descriptions from people who have succeded in using their PodX3 via 4cable-method together with their tube-amp.
You state that the noise is inevitable, but I have been able to use the pod in the Boogie- effects loop (that is behind the preamp) with success and no noise whatsoever. But then I can`t use the stomp boxes and other pre-preamp effects in the pod and at the same time use the chorus/delay etc behind the preamp. My problem is the generation of noise somewhere between my guitar and the Boogie preamp input.
I have thought of the possibility that it could be the cables, but have tested with High-end normal guitar cables and there was no difference with respect to noise. However I have not tried "balanced cables" like you say that you have done. After I read your post I looked it up and have found that balanced jack-jack cables have an extra "cold" ring proximal to the tip of the connector. Is this supported by the Pod-loop-send, and the Boogie jack input connectors? If not, how could I use Balanced cables to improve the noise situation?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 1, 2012 11:08 AM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
The cables are supported by balanced send / return of POD and Mesa, including the guitar and AUX input accepts balanced cables of the pod, but the guitar and the input of the mesa are unbalanced. Generally, on stage, you connect the guitar to adirect box that converts from balanced to unbalanced. The balanced cables are used in the study and to the PA because they are less likely to pick up noise from the environment, especially if they are longer than 3 meters. I use balanced cables wherever I can, especially from the pod to the PA or conventional amplifiers. Also, verify that you are using preset type because many presets that emulate driven amplifiers have a noise similar to the originals. To check the background noise I use the console emulations, or without the amp, even a simple vox introduces noise.Using the pod with microphones and acoustic guitars, and in these conditions ismuch quieter. You can check by listening through headphones, choose a quiet emulation in headphones and works with this to adjust the signal.
Add you the link of my recording of a song made only with my Variax with Pod X3L where I tried to emulate an Oud, when amplify in the monitors have same quality.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 2, 2012 10:45 AM (in response to acerboni)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
I have turned off the amp/cab simulation, and my Pods loop-send goes to the Mesa guitar-input. As you say, the Mesa input is not balanced, so there will be no help in using a balanced cable in that particular position. Even if I leave the signal chain within the Mesa from there (not returning the signal to the Pod via Mesa loop-send) the noise is still present. As I said earlier, I dont get the noise if I connect the Pods input/output directly to the Mesa effect-loop. So it seems that the noise is produced at the Pods loop-send. Possibly the cable from this point to the Mesa guitar-input is the culprit, but this is a short cable of less than 1m, and I think its quality is OK. I will try a more sofisticated cable and se if that helps.
By the way; Nice playing and impressive guitar tone from your Variax/PodX3L setup
Currently Being ModeratedApr 2, 2012 12:51 PM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
I think that your problem is probably the level balance - one part of the signal chain is low and then getting boosted later in the chain, introducing noise. It took me a while to get the 4CM working, but it is now great. The link below shows you how I got it working - I am 99% certain following this will work for you too.
Go to the last post.
Good luck !!!
Currently Being ModeratedApr 3, 2012 1:56 AM (in response to pchapple)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
Thank you, pchapple, for a really wonderful guide to understanding how the 4CM works. Actually I found your description yesterday (before you made your post here) and I tried it out with some success. I still have some increased noise, but it is acceptable. The noise was significantly reduced when turning down the "loop return" on the pod.
While testing around I got a weird problem: When putting the pods loop in the "post-position" I have full controll of the loops send- and return-levels just like you describe. But when I put the loop in the "pre-position" where I prefer it, for some reason I can only adjust the return signal of the loop. The send-level-button is present and can be turned, but it doesnt change the sound level. Is there a bug in my pod, or is there an other reason why this button only works with the loop in the "post-position"?.
As it is, the signal into my amp from the pods loop-send does not match my guitar, and I cannot turn the level down without putting the loop behind the compressor and EQ. However with the loop in "post" position it seems that most of my "noise problem" is solved by turning down the loop-return-level, so it might not matter to much.
Anyway; thank you very much for your help so far...
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2012 1:36 AM (in response to Brandis)Re: Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp
I have solved the problem! It turned out to be a ground-loop problem after all. I thought I had tested all posibilities; avoiding power with possible interference from spotlights, neon-lights etc, and trying grounded and non-grounded power. I even tried the various methodes described in this comunity and elsewhere on the internet for modifying the cables. All without success.
The only thing I never did before was to take away the "3-outlet grounded power strip" whitch I use for my amp, the Pod and my swiching system. While testing, I suddenly found that when putting the power cord from amp and Pod into separate "non-grounded" power outlets the buzzing noise dissapeared. Further testing showed that the problem was still solved when using a "multi outlet power-strip" as long as it is non-grounded. When using a non-grounded power strip it doesnt matter whether I put the power strip into a grounded or non-grounded wall outlet.
I feel kind of stupid for having used so much time and frustation on this when the solution was so simple. Still I have come across several people on the internet who seem to have the same problem. For a non-specialist in electronics, it seemes far fetched that this kind of noise problem could be caused by the power cable. I therefor hope that reading this will help someone else.
Anyway: Aprox 90% of all the noise dissapeared when using a non-grounded-multi-outlet power strip. I am now completely satisfied and able to use both pre- and post preamp effects from the POD X3 together with my tube preamp.