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Brandis Just Startin' 7 posts since
Sep 23, 2009
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Sep 23, 2009 12:20 PM

Using Pod X3 live/pro in effect loop on external guitar amp

I am planning to buy a Line 6 pod X3 PRO. My main purpose is to use it in my home studio. Anyway I have a great amp (Mesa Boogie mark III- about 23 years old) wich I use when playing live and I also need a new effects processor for that purpose.

For live playing I have been using a rack mounted effect processor (Zoom) together with a Mesa Boogie Midi Matrix which I loop through the "effects send/return-loop" on my Mesa Boogie. This loop is placed after the Mesa pre amp. Now I am wondering if anyone has experience in using the Pod X3 in a "post-preamp loop". I would then use only the effects in the Pod and turn off all the Preamp and Amp-simulating options. It would be practical for me to be able to use the Pod X3 in both studio work and live playing. I have not been able to find any information about how to set up the Pod as a sole effect processor together with an amp if you don`t want to place the Pod in front of the preamp (I want to use the Mesa tube-preamp for distortion)

If it is not recomendable to use the Pod on the "effects loop" after the preamp I will propably settle for the Pod X3 for my studioworking, and not go for the substantially more expensive Pod X3 PRO which would fit nicely into my rack. I therefore hope that someone can help me out on this before I buy the Pod.

 

Philip

  • sibby Just Startin' 3 posts since
    Nov 10, 2009

    hello Brandis, I was wondering if you ever found out an answer to your question because I'm trying to find out the same thing. Thanks, sibby

      • sibby Just Startin' 3 posts since
        Nov 10, 2009

        much appreciated, I'm borrowing a Pod Pro from a friend (an older Pod model). Maybe when I figure out how to work it I can find out the answer to my question. I have a Boss GT-6 and it definitely is not going to work, completely changed the entire sound of my rig (in a bad way). Probably like you, I'm trying to get some pedals off the ground and out of there.

  • webe123 Just Startin' 16 posts since
    Aug 25, 2007

    Look here: You can run it with 4 cables bypassing the modeling or you can run the two tones seperately...one for pre and one for post http://line6.com/community/docs/DOC-4742

     

    I have a Mesa Boogie Lonestar 2x12 that I use the 4 cable method with. Works great.

    • sibby Just Startin' 3 posts since
      Nov 10, 2009

      4 cords? ok.  I never got the pod, still looking for an amp I can live with. In the meantime a friend of mine recommended the line 6 m9 which supposedly has true bypass or soft bypass (whatever that means). I figure I'll stay away from the pre amp section because I only want the delays, reverbs, chorus', etc.  Hopefully it can be run through the effects loop without changing original amp sound.  Have you guys heard the Orange Tiny Terror?  Holy ****!, what a great sound, but too small and no effects loop. I heard one of the new 50 watt marshall heads with tons of options, didn't think it sounded that good.  What I wanted was a dual rec rackmount (which was only sold in mid to late 90's), but they want an arm and a leg for them now and they're used. The search goes on.

      • acerboni Just Startin' 30 posts since
        Apr 10, 2006

        Hello I use the Pod for several years and now I let the amps for a traditional PAsitema composed Pod Mixer, matrix effects, SR Club 2 speakers, 300 watts.

        Before Iobtained good results in this configuration, guitar> POD X3L> pod Send> AmpReturn - always with balanced cables. I had the Mack IV, but eventually I had toexclude the pre. The solution Guitar> Mesa> Mesa send> Pod> and the variouscombinations had much punch but the noise is inevitable.

        To exploit the Mesa hadtaken this road Guitar> switch A / B >>> A pod> B Mesa. in this way had the twocombinations and the ability to use the Mesa directed by excluding the pod, or usepre exclude the Mesa and the pod with the end of Mesa. However the solution to leave the traditional amplifiers has solved all the problems and I opened a universeof possibilities.

        One solution, if it sounds like the Pod X3L punch combo and have ittake two combo boxes or as amplified type Tech21 Belev with Axe-Fx Ultra 2 andAtomic Reactor FR Rig.

          • acerboni Just Startin' 30 posts since
            Apr 10, 2006

            The cables are supported by balanced send / return of POD and Mesa, including the guitar and AUX input accepts balanced cables of the pod, but the guitar and the input of the mesa are unbalanced. Generally, on stage, you connect the guitar to adirect box that converts from balanced to unbalanced. The balanced cables are used in the study and to the PA because they are less likely to pick up noise from the environment, especially if they are longer than 3 meters. I use balanced cables wherever I can, especially from the pod to the PA or conventional amplifiers. Also, verify that you are using preset type because many presets that emulate driven amplifiers have a noise similar to the originals. To check the background noise I use the console emulations, or without the amp, even a simple vox introduces noise.Using the pod with microphones and acoustic guitars, and in these conditions ismuch quieter. You can check by listening through headphones, choose a quiet emulation in headphones and works with this to adjust the signal.

            Add you the link of my recording of a song made only with ​​my Variax with Pod X3L where I tried to emulate an Oud, when amplify in the monitors have same quality.

            http://soundcloud.com/chaos-music/09-najiras-dream

              • pchapple Just Startin' 126 posts since
                Apr 20, 2010

                I think that your problem is probably the level balance - one part of the signal chain is low and then getting boosted later in the chain, introducing noise.  It took me a while to get the 4CM working, but it is now great.  The link below shows you how I got it working - I am 99% certain following this will work for you too.

                 

                http://line6.com/support/message/359935#359935

                 

                Go to the last post.

                 

                Good luck !!!

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