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hudsoncoutosilva Just Startin' 15 posts since
May 17, 2010
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Aug 15, 2012 12:03 PM

JTV models edited in Workbench sound weird

I've noticed some firmware problems with my newly acquired JTV89. When I got the guitar, the very fist thing I did was to put the battery to charge and plug it via VDI into my HD500. It sounded very nice, the models were very realistic and alive.
Ok, so I go about updating it to 1.82 (it was set to 1.70). After the update, some models just sounded weird. The Les Paul bridge sound like an out-of-phase middle position (just on the 3 lower strings), the Strat lost ist sparkle and the 12 strings are not tracking as quickly as before, you can hear the strings "sliding" to pitch.


So I try reflashing, rolling back to 1.70, back again to 1.82 and guess what? Every time something sounds different. There doesn't seem to be any consistency between all the reflashes and updates, something always get fixed while another thing gets messed up...

 

Another problem: when I edit a model in Workbench. Let's take the Spank for example. The model from the guitar sounds nice and sparkly, but if I so much as touch Workbench, it instantly sounds darker and lifeless, like the old Variax500 I had a while back. Also, saving ANY of the JTV models to disk and editing them makes them sound like the older variaxes, even though Workbench labels them "Tyler Variax Model". I've notced the file extension is the same for TJV and 500/700 guitars, so is it possible that the stock models in the JTV are "converted" to 500/700 models as soon as you edit them in Workbench? It is really annoying, because if I just need to adjust something simples like pot values or the capacitor, the models loses all its authenticity..

 

 

Anyone has some insights?

 

 

P.S.: quick test to exemplify the problem: I take the Spank 5 model and copy it on top of Spank 4, so now I have two Spank5 side by side and they sound the same. Then i take one and edit it in Worbench (change the capacitor to 11uF than back 47uF, so no change after all). The two models now sound completely different, the edited one being darker and less sparkly, just very plastic.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    Aug 15, 2012 1:08 PM (in response to hudsoncoutosilva)
    Re: JTV models edited in Workbench sound weird

    I had issues out of the box with mine, but it involved 1.71 (or 1.72 forget which)

    anyway, i had to downgrade the flash telling it to save nothing... once i got the lower flash working problem free, i was able to upgrade problem free.

    basically reflashing will likely fix yours from the sounds of it, just not sure what the magic order of things will be....

    I think it was a problem with the 1.70 factory firmware that lingers... but thats just my guess.

  • Crusty_Old_Rocker Expert Line 6 User 3,096 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007
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    Aug 15, 2012 2:16 PM (in response to hudsoncoutosilva)
    Re: JTV models edited in Workbench sound weird

    As Zap said, make sure you let it overwrite all your settings when flashing.  Sometimes the saving of the existing models and writing them back can get in the way of a good clean reflash.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Crusty

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