Hi Scotty,

just out of interest are you predominantly using the DT25 in normal or low volume mode?

Regards

Lewis

Hi,

I have the same troubles. I'm quite sure my settings are ok, I've check everything many times.

I tried to reproduce the sound I like of my DT50's channel 2 on channel 1 with my Pod HD500 and the correct preampwith the same settings, but there's always a difference.

I can recognize the sounds are close. But I still can hear a difference. Not as they were 2 differents amps models, for sure.

Scotty said :

I can still hear some digital overtones in the signal. I will also concede that I am extremely fussy with all of this stuff. Maybe some others would be happy and it is close to the original but I can still hear a difference.

My english is very poor, but I hear the same thing as him. digital overtones.

I tried many ways to make it sound closer : with or with cab sim, pre amp, or full amp, same topologie, class A or A/B, pentode/triode, EQ, etc).

I did'nt find a goog solution.

Can someone help me ? Should I ask for a repair ticket directly from Line 6 ?

thanks

The AES/EBU cable for the Line6 link is also on open issue for me. Interessting that there are more and more who confirm using AES/EBU cable will impact the overall tone.

I will try this in the near future.

I can very well remember the history using XLR cabling vs. DMX cabeling in L6 forums. I think Merlin was the first who heavily insists on DMX cable as this connection is a DIGITAL audio connection, although Line6 has recommended in theses days "good XLR cables". If I remember correctly, Line6 itself has now moved to recommend DMX cables for the connection between a DTXX and a HDXXX.

The channel-B thing and all these midi-approaches to control the DT50/25 topologies are really NOT necessary for me, to get similar/same sounds as the orginal DT50/25 voicings.

One thing which really helps (I have read that somewhere in another thread) is using the Looper function of the POD HD to bring the DT voicing in line with the corresponding pre amp models in the POD HD.

Can't  remember how exactly it works, because I have right now no POD HD avaiable, but should works like this:

- set the voicing you like on channel-B on your DT50/25 with the EQ knobs on your DT50/25.

- create a blank preset only with the corresponding pre amp model in the POD HD (always channel-A on your DT50/25). Use the same EQ knob settings for a starting point as you have set your channel-B voicing.

- Fix your master volume knob on the DT50/25 - don't change it.

- Add a "No amp" model and toggle between the pre amp model and your channel-B with a FS assigned to it.

- Don't use any other FX-blocks.

- Start by using the Standard cabs and mics with your corresponding pre amp model in the POD HD preset (whether you should use the cabs sims/mics sims or not, is not confirmed by Line6 up to now. So this is up to everyone what fits to you best. I am using the standard cab and mic sims. At the end it will be important whether you are using L6 speakers/cabs or something different. At that point you need to try).

- Play something with the looper function.

- change the EQ knobs on the POD HD in your pre amp model patch (channel-A) until you have reached an identical sound between the channel-B (your original DT voicing) and the POD HD preset (channel-A

Using the looper will free your fingers, so you can fully concentrate on getting the tone you want.

Don't know, if this is old chestnut to most of the users. May be helpful somehow - although it is just a repeatition, I have read somewhere ...

wolbai.

I think a lot of new user with a DT50/25 + a POD HD think just too complicated. I know this may sound a little bit arrogant.

After 1 1/2 years with my L6 guitar Rig, I have got it up and running and it is NOT complicated to me.

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I GOT STELLAR TONES WITH MY DT50/212 + HD500 + JTV59 + JTV69 !

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And I am using the rig - I would say - in a standard way.

The following short reference is my configuration how I am running my rig for LIVE performnace (not for bedroom or studio recording level !!!) and to make it work as a pratical guitar rig. And I am mainly using the 4 Voicings in my Cover Rock Band.

1. WHAT IS NOT NEEDED TO GET THE RIG RUNNING

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- Channel-B on the DT50/25 to have access to the original Voicing of your DT50/25

- 4CM to control your DT50/25

- even more complicated MIDI-solutions to control the DT50/25

I have seen Threads where user have moved into these directions to get the rig running for their needs. I think that is wrong, much too complicated, with limitations and not necessary.

2. RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET THE RIG UP AND RUNNING

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I. Realities to accept

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A. I think everone using a DT50/25 has to accept that the 4 voicings of the 4 different amps in the DT50/25 will have VERY different volume levels. The same applies to the real amps:

Who would ever assume that a Fender Twin Reverb, PARK-75, VOX AC/30, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier will produce the SAME volume by setting the Master volume of these amps to the SAME level ? (I honestly hope, nobody).

B. I think everone using a DT50/25 has to accept that these 4 voicings (= amps) inside the DT50/25 react very different on master volume and amp volume knob settings. The same applies to the real amps: 

Who would you ever assume that a Fender Twin Reverb, PARK-75, VOX AC/30, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier will produce the SAME tube driven power section distortion by setting the Master volume and the amp volume knob of these amps to the SAME level ? (I honestly hope, nobody).

C. The are some elements, parameters inside the POD HD including cabeling which may influence the tone which CAN lead into a tonal difference between the original 4 DT-Voicings and the corresponding pre amp models in the POD HD. These have to be considered and set correctly.

II. MY RECOMMENDED POD HD SETTINGS TO GET THE 4 DT50/25 VOICINGS

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- make shure that you have updated all your L6 parts with the latest firmware (it is boring to be remembered - I know)

- Use an AES/EBU cable for the L6 link.

- Use pre amp models in the POD HD. Find the corresponding pre amp models to the DT50/25 in these forums. I can remember them for the DT50 (for the DT25 it is different I think in Voicing II):

- V1: BF Double (normal)

- V2: PARK-75 (normal - original there was only the normal pre amp model in the POD HD)

- V3: VOX AC/30

- V4: Treadplate (standard moves into Voicing IV; check if Voicing III suits for you)

- Use the standard cab/sims and mic/sims. This is the standard setting. Altough there is no official statement from Line6, I think these standard cab/sims are used in a DT50/25-combo. If you are using a HEAD and none L6-speaker cabs, you have to experiment what sounds good to you. This can have a significant impact on your tone.

- Set your Master Volume level on the DT50/25 to a level where ALL of your amps have enough Power section load to move into saturation. I set my DT50 to 1-2 o clock. This is really loud. I think the Master volume setting IS ONE VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT which affects the tone.

Seriously consider buying a power attenuator: ---> For example A lot of marshall users (= Voicing 2) have, by the way, a power attenuator too, because this amps is pretty loud, if you want to get them cooked. Just by having this great amp available inside the DT50/25 and POD HD will NOT solve the volume problem. It is still there and needs to adressed some how. (adress it !).

- Use the standard volume mode with your DT50/25 (master volume knob NOT pulled out).

- I have set the mixer channels both to 0%. I don't think that it is necessary to use only 1 channel and to mute the other. But I also would not say that is wrong just using one of both channels in the signal chain. May be this has to do with the next setting (inpu1 + 2 setting).

- I set the input1 to Variax and the input 2 to guitar. The standard setting of input 2 is set to "same". This may lead on specific presets into DOUBELING of the input level with negativ impacts in your signal chain (clipping, etc.).

- I set the guitar input to 1M. Standard is auto. I am not really shure, if this a key parameter. At least I have heared some subtile sound distortion differences by playing around with different values of this parameter.

- Once the POD HD is connected to your DT50/25, it should automatically assigned to correct output mode. For my DT50/212 it is "PWR combo" (or something like this - sorry don't have my equipment with me - I am on vacation in Italy). I have read different optinions on this setting. I recommend using the STANDARD / AUTOMATED setting.

- Use the POD HD looper function to get the right amp EQ-settings in your POD HD presets compared to your DT50/25 voicings (see Thread above).

- Don't use existing presets. Starts to build up from scratch.

- Set your overall volume level with the Master Volume; I personally think there is no other option than a power attenutar, if you want to use SEVERAL amps in a practical live performance, because they are just so HUGE in difference in volume and when they are starting to saturate. This is very much the case, when you are using amps which - by nature - only starts to break up at a very high master volume level. PARK-75 and Plexi Lead 100 are two examples.

- Bring as a next step the different amp volume levels in line by using the amp volume knob. My personal experinece that this can differ from 40 - 100% depending on the amps you are using.

- Fine tune your preset volume levels with the Mixer volume in a range of approx. -7db to +4db (see another Thread from me in this forum).

Finally:

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As ears and experience are different, so my recommendations may differ from everbody else. I am shure that there are different ways how to use the guitar rig, because it has quite a lot of options to operate.

I know there is some repetition what I have wrote and it can be found somewhere else. Having it in a compromised way, may still help. And the above mentioned settings makes my Dream Rig work properly.

Hope that helps some how. wolbai (all lot of words - I know)