+1 jim

..... off to the battlefields!!............

I think I posted earlier in this thread but I'll do it again. 

#1 Roland JC-120

#2 the "small tweed" model from previous pods

Soldano SLO, with all its channels like the 300 and 400 series

Komet 60.

And of course, a pure acoustic amp, it´s ridiculous that we have a variax with acoustics models and the pod has not a proper acoustic model for them

"Do high gain amps have NO clean settings?  Does a Fender Bassman have a DRIVE knob?"

They don't clean up all the way when reducing Drive, but it's a lot better than prior Pods... At least we're getting the SLO clean channel.  I wouldn't mind also having the Recto's.

As far as Drive knobs for amps that didn't have them...what that is actually adjusting is the preamp Volume knob on the modeled amp - so your pushing the amp's power section (and in some cases slightly pushing the amp's pre-amp output tube as well).  You'll notice the Master DEP is set to 100% for all the non-Master Volume amps.  Being able to change this is basically like having a modded amp, so that there's an attenuator between the pre-amp output tube and the power section.  So you could dime the pre-amp but still keep the power section from distorting, which you couldn't do on the original amp.

Some models have controls that don't exist on the originals, like Mids and Presence on the Fenders.  They do affect the tone.  Personally, I feel they should have been made to do nothing, so the controls are authentic, but I guess it doesn't really hurt so long as they don't change the way the modeling works, just the final EQ.

Of course you are right - Line 6 can't fully model many amps with lots of knobs, but that's not what they try to do.  AFAIK, not many modeling manufacturers attempt to do that either.  For instance, when modeling a Mesa/Boogie Mark IV, which has LOTS of options beyond bass/mids/treble/presence controls, what is actually modeled is ___ channel with bright pot pulled, bass shift pulled, etc.  So you lose a lot of the versatility of the original amp, unless they model every possible combination of the settings you can't tweak.  But generally they aim for the more popular options.

If you want super-precise authenticity, go buy the actual amp.  Line 6 and others are getting close to authentic tone, but only for a subset of available options of the original, and that's just the way its got to be most of the time.  Amps are different, and their available controls don't neatly fit into the common mold the modeling devices have laid out.

Also, there could be DSP concerns.  The more versatile and the more controls needed to take into account equates to more processing time.  It's hard to design a device when 70% of the models use 4 controls, and the other 30% use 20.  So do you beef up the hardware for the 30% at additional cost to those who won't use those models?

Software models tend to incorporate more of such controls - all the switches and such.  They have much more tweakable UI's and more room to incorporate lots of features for models that require it.

yes, i hear that.  hopefully new amps will be quicker to dial in.  for instance, the absence of a 5150 and Mesa Mark has had me trying numerous tweaks to the Uber to get it to sound like those.  I've finally got it about where I want it.  Hopefully if those amps are ever modeled, it'll take far less tweaking to get them where I want and I can have a more authentic tone.  But I would not be looking forward to repeating the amount of work i've already done. hehe

Well...since the ridiculous requests keep coming, I have one as well.  A Peavey Decade with a busted speaker option.

GRACIAS AMIGOS EXPERTOS LINE 6 ANOCHE ACTUALICE MI HD500 Y ESTOY SUPER SORPRENDIDO Y FASCINADO CON LOS MODELOS EL EPIC TIENE ALMA.

GRACIAS TOTALES

desde Chile

J.V.