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  • Akeron Just Startin' 224 posts since
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    345. Aug 27, 2012 3:12 AM (in response to joel_brown)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Very good sounds! I like the sound of the interaction with the Marshall (really close to the sound on Masters of reality) but it would be nice to know how good the direct sound is. Also I imagine you use the Angel F-Ball and not the Plexi or Jcm 800 emulation to imitate the Laney Supergroup of Tony Iommi because there's no direct Rangemaster emulation on the POD...

  • Astaroth_CY Just Startin' 112 posts since
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    346. Aug 27, 2012 5:00 AM (in response to Akeron)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Tony Iommi's tone has been all over the place, it's a bit frustrating actually for tone modeling junkies like us My Black Sabbath emulation just uses the JCM800 model at 50% drive, with an overdrive in front, and a 50% tube comp in post. It is supposed to sound like the song NIB, although now I realize that song was recorded with the Laney Supergroup. Sounds like Joel is using the Angel model though. I would LOVE it if you would post your tone(s) up on CustomTone, Joel. I use Studio Direct, but straight into a PA, I wonder whether I could get similar sound that you get out of your stacks.

  • mmurph Just Startin' 100 posts since
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    347. Aug 27, 2012 12:44 PM (in response to joel_brown)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Very nice tone! I had to watch a couple of your videos as I am a huge Sabbath fan for many years now and thought your band was pretty cool! I would definitely check you guys out if I were in your neck of the woods! I love the tone you're getting with the gear you have. I have a similar guitar (Jackson Dinky, but with Seymour Duncan pickups- it's good for some things, not so great for others). The sound you were getting kind of renewed my faith that I can probably get what I'm looking for in terms of a convincing loud and gainy sound- where I get into trouble is in trying to balance that with getting a good clean tone- I haven't used it live for awhile, but I will be starting to play out soon. If I had my way, I'd use a 4x12 as well, but due to having to take equipment somewhere by boat to various gigs in the same venue, I use a small combo amp (Peavey Valveking 112) and I don't get a ton of volume from it. I get great tones jamming at home, but the live thing has eluded me thus far.

  • sean106ESP Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    349. Aug 29, 2012 12:50 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Hi everyone! Hope all is well Meam, I was just trying to download some of the .h5e patch files and for some reason it says the link is broken. Is there a new page? Sorry if discussed already. Thanks!

  • sean106ESP Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    351. Aug 29, 2012 9:15 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Thanks man! Got it. Killer stuff! I am trying them all out and see which ones sound best in a band mix. You are the bomb

  • joel_brown Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    352. Aug 30, 2012 10:33 AM (in response to Astaroth_CY)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    I put my tone patches on CustomTone under PODHD.  There's only three of them and they all start with the name: JoelAngelHvy.  There will be some numbers at the end of the name for differant versions, which are just tweaks.  JoelAngelHvyV3-5 is the last one I did and it's doing what I want - finally.

     

    The Marshall tube power amps and speakers do help.  Direct into a mixer or recorder it loses some of that power and feel but wasn't too bad.  Definetley play with impedance for your guitar, watch your levels, adjust the Delays if needed, etc.  I recently had someone come over and try their guitar with my setup and the Delays were over-powering.  I plug my guitar back in and they're hardly noticable.  The only differance I could think of was active versus passive pickups.  I don't think I'll ever figure this thing out completely.

     

    Thanks to everyone for all their help and hard work.  I couldn't have got half this far without all the info being shared on this forum.

  • joel_brown Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    353. Sep 7, 2012 7:56 PM (in response to joel_brown)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Wanted to pass this along as it helped my tone quite a bit.

     

    Tone control capacitors seem to help quite a lot.  After pulling apart 3 of my guitars I noticed that none of them had the same capacitor pF rating.  I also found capacitor pF ratings are kind'a confusing.  For example a 472 and 473 cap is drastically differant.  Also trying to figure out that a 47000pF, .047mfd, and 473k are all the same wasn't easy either.  If you have a cap with 3 numbers the first two numbers are the rating andf the third digit is the x10 multiplier.  Example: 473 is 47000pF or .047mfd.  472 is 4700 or .0047mfd which doesn't do anything for your guitar.  Basically the bigger the number the more treble it can remove.  It's just a low pass filter.

     

    Now that I've setup all of my guitars with the same .047 cap I now get a thicker smoother tone that the PODHD responds very well too.  I also went back to my JoelAngelV3 setting instead of JoelAngelV3-5.  I dial the tone control back from wide open to maybe 2/3rds open.  But atleast now I get the same results on all 3 guitars and I like the .047 cap with the Dimarzio Super Distortion pickups in my Jackson guitars.  I tried .033 and .02 caps but the .047 cap gave me the most adjustment and (atleast for me) the best tone.

     

    I wanted to pass this along as it took me a couple weeks and several trips to Radio Shack buying caps.  I also researched forums about differant types of caps and, atleast for heavier tones, it didn't make any differance.  For clean sounds it seemed that some people could hear a differance and others said they couldn't.

     

    I know I improved my tone substantially by spending a couple dollars on caps and a few minutes of soldering.

  • dam777 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    354. Sep 26, 2012 11:40 PM (in response to joel_brown)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    @ meambobbo - Big thanks from the Czech Republic for your work

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
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    356. Sep 28, 2012 5:41 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    This guide is very good stuff!  Lots to read and learn here.

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    358. Sep 28, 2012 7:22 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    they are indeed awesome. talented friend.

  • lvss Just Startin' 16 posts since
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    359. Oct 1, 2012 8:04 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Hey !!!! Great work !! Thanks a lot... Sorry Line 6, this was a better (and funnier) manual... Great images and great description... I don't know much about amps and effects, but now, I know a little more !! Thanks

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