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axus73 Just Startin' 29 posts since
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Oct 2, 2012 8:51 AM

Pod hd 500 signal routing

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Hi everybody, i tweaked a patch for CN solo, but i am not sure if it works properly, and i really squeeze the most out of it.

in this tweak i have set input 2 as same and the signal from the guitar should pass through paths A and B and then effects post...if i get what manual says.

If i choose input 2 Variax or other (i use just guitar) it sounds pretty close but i have noticed that i can hear tuner only in one of my eadphones...mmm...i am shutting down path B?

Let me know what should be in your opinion the right signal chain for this patch.

Suggestions accepted!

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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    Oct 2, 2012 9:01 AM (in response to axus73)
    Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

    Since you have the noise gate where it is (before the path split) both Input 1 and Input 2 are routed through both paths. The difference you hear between Input2=Guityar vs. something else is just due to the doubling of the inputs when Inmput2=Guitar. Input1 is being routed through both paths. You are not shutting down Path B.

     

    The tuner only applies to Input1; Input2 is not recognized by the tuner.

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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        Oct 2, 2012 9:43 AM (in response to axus73)
        Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

        That's correct - both paths are stereo. The difference with Input2=Variax is a weaker signal. That can mean nore than a lower volume. For instance, you will be familiar with the fact that turning down the volume on your guitar can also affect the level of dirt/grit/crunch in your tone depending on how your amp's drive/gain is set. The same thing applies here. Setting Input2=Variax instead of Guitar is similar to turning down the volume knob on your guitar.

  • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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    Oct 2, 2012 9:04 AM (in response to axus73)
    Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

    All Dynamic effects are mono summing, so with the noise gate as the first effect before the path split, input 1 and 2 are getting mixed to mono and sent to both Channel A and B.  So the only difference between Input 2: Same/Variax (null) is that with Input 2: Same, the signal is going to be a bit stronger.  Also, I think Input 2: Same/Guitar has some kind of bug, at least in combination with mono-summing effects as in this patch that causes a slight comb filter and out-of-phase sound to emerge.  I would use Input 2: Variax.

     

    I don't know what you mean about "tuner", but what ends up in your left ear vs right ear is going to be completely determined by your Mixer settings, as well as what you're doing with the effects loop.

     

    for more on routing:

    http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/setup#routing

      • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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        Oct 2, 2012 12:10 PM (in response to axus73)
        Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

        I guess the tuner thing is like Silverhead said - only Input 1 goes to the tuner.  But that makes me wonder...what are your mixer settings?  Are you panning hard left/right for each Channel?  I prefer to mix my amp tones down to mono and only use stereo effects for any stereo separation, but that's just me.  So I use center pan on both channels for a dual amp tone.  This brings up a whole new ball of wax:

        http://line6.com/support/thread/88099

         

        so i took a look at the rest of the patch.  First thing I see that screams red flag is in Channel B you have the Tube Comp set to 0% Threshold.  This is basically compressing the crap out of your tone, which you then feed into a distortion unit.  That's going to kill any dynamics to your playing.  I would actually put the Tube Comp behind the amp, and use Threshold between 30-70% depending on taste.

         

        Another possible no-no is using the Parametric EQ last in the chain.  These effects (Mid-Focus as well) are often subject to clipping on anywhere near a hot input.  You may be able to get similar EQ treatment out of a Studio EQ which is not subject to this problem.  If you keep the Parametric, try putting it right behind the mixer and make sure the levels are low enough so that it doesn't clip.

         

        Curiously, what's in your FX Loop?  And if you have to reduce the level to keep the Parametric from clipping, you may be able to gain it back in the FX Loop's Receive control.

          • fenders74 Just Startin' 45 posts since
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            Oct 3, 2012 1:50 AM (in response to axus73)
            Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

            I think Line6 should leave the two input in MONO signal, the guitar is always a MONO input. This way the routing is so confused and complicated!

          • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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            Oct 3, 2012 8:19 AM (in response to axus73)
            Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

            that looks better, but again, change Input 1 to Guitar (you'll get less noise since you aren't selecting unused inputs) and Input 2 to Variax (so long as you're not actually using a Variax - this is a digital connection so there's no associated noise).  That might initially make the tone a little thinner sounding, but once you compensate the gain on your Tube Drives I think you'll prefer the sound.  What about the Tube Comp?  Did you find the difference in tone beneficial?

              • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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                Oct 3, 2012 10:34 AM (in response to axus73)
                Re: Pod hd 500 signal routing

                i was talking about drive on the tube drive - turning up the drive on it should be the same as using a boost before it, more-or-less.  the reason boost pedals came about is because early amps did not have controls capable of pushing the amp into distortion.

                 

                a compressor can go either before or after a distortion stage, and depending where you place it, it'll work somewhat differently.  after a distortion stage it will squish the dynamics so that whether you play hard or soft, you don't have wide differences in volume.  but distortion stages generally do that as well - using a compressor after distortion is usually best when using a light or medium distortion to get more sustain.  also, it won't change the distortion tone - if you play hard you'll get more distortion and soft a mild/light distortion.

                 

                compare this to putting the comp in front the distortion.  it'll squash the dynamics before the distortion, so the distortion is going to be at the same level whether you play hard or soft.  this limits the amount of expression you can put on each note.  this technique is more common in metal, where everything wants to be tight and heavily distorted.  it can work for more vintage tones if you limit the amount of compression used, so it just adds a bit of sustain without forcing too much distortion, but i think the post position is generally preferable.

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