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niall182 Just Startin'
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Oct 6, 2012 3:58 PM

Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

Hi all,

Just got my Pod HD Pro rack unit...been playing with it for a day or so...cant quite figure out what the best i/o options are???...I'm running the HD into a Rocktron Velocity 300 power amp and into a 4x12 cab....should be fairly straigt forward I thought to hook up...flick the switch on the back next to the outputs to 'amp' go into the menu and choose either 'stacked power amp' or 'power amp' and go from there...to be honest it doesnt sound very good!!...in fact it sounds much better if I flick the switch to 'direct' and select 'studio/desk' out as an option and go to my power amp and 4x12, though that sounds a bit muddy...my question is: what would be the best i/o option for my set up...am I doing anything I shouldn't??...I'm running the latest firmware.

 

Why do line 6 make this stuff so difficult and why dont they just do a simple bank of patches for 'live' use ie: gig volume...that volume being slightly over and above a real drummer with a real kit!!!...that aside I can tell that there are some really good sounds hiding inside and yes part of the fun is to dig them out....but the i/o hassle I'm suffering with at the moment is a bit frustrating so any tips from someone who uses these live through a 2x12 or 4x12 cab would be much appreciated.

 

Cheers for now

Niall

  • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User
    cgtrox
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    Oct 6, 2012 5:12 PM (in response to niall182)
    Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

    Welcome aboard man! I just got mine a few weeks ago as well. It really depends on what you have as there are so many options to choose from. You said you have a poweramp and a 4x12, you're right where I am except I have a 2x12. I am using a Crown poweramp and an M9 in the effects loop. I have two XLR to 1/4" cables going from the poweramp to the "unbalanced outputs" on the HD with the switch set to "line" on the back. I am only using the "pre" models for everything as I am using a real guitar cab. Also, by using the M9 in the loop and saving some DSP I can use dual amps on all of my patches! The best part about the M9 in the loop is if you hook up a MIDI cable from the HD to the M9 the M9 follows it with each patch! So, you can include it for programming each patch! You are only going to use the first four pages for I/O setup unless you have a Variax or a DT series amp.

     

    Page one: I left all alone except #4, turn on trails

    Page two: #3 at 50hz, #2 tap ON, #4 FBV on

    Page three: #3 AUTO, #4 Global

    Page four: #1 stack front, #2 FLAT, #3 150Hz, #4 set at -40

     

    The critical one is #4, just because it says poweramp and cab doesn't mean you have to use that one. I liked the stack front best and also mess with #2,#3 and #4 with the 4x12. Those are the best settings for my 2x12. Also try amps with the cabs on, maybe you will like it. I have spent all day today setting it up and testing it with the MKI shortboard to see how it works with it and I finally had time to run down to GC and get some cables. So far so good, there is only the 2.02 version right now, just waiting on the latest update!!!

     

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    cgtrox

    • spikey Just Startin'
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      Oct 6, 2012 9:22 PM (in response to cgtrox)
      Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

      Nice stuff there cg... Nice stuff indeed...

    • niall182 Just Startin'
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      Oct 7, 2012 2:18 AM (in response to cgtrox)
      Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

      Hi,

      Thanks for your reply much appreciated, the L6 forum has so many 'great' people on it willing to share their highs & lows and help out. I dip in from time to time as and when I get L6 stuff and this is always my first port of call!

       

      Your set up is so similar to mine..or will be, I'm selling my 4x12 and getting a 2x12!! easier to carry around for gigs plus I'll be going into the PA.

       

      I'm going to try your suggestions tomorrow and let you know how I get on....I'm going to be selling the Rocktron Velocity 300 and buying a Matrix gt1000fx flat response power amp and try that out..

       

      I'd left page 4 pretty much alone and just used what ever settings come up when you scroll through the options ie: stack font, power amp, combo amp...so I'll do as you say and play with those a bit and see what sounds best...but I'll go with your suggestion first.

       

      A small mistake on my first post...I said 'direct' and what I ment was 'lift'....ie the switch next to the outputs on the back....'amp' just seemed to kill everything and 'lift' did exactly that....lifted everything....I guess its just a matter of kinda 'ignoring' how L6 describe their i/o options and just try them all and tweak until you get something that sounds right to your own ears?!

       

      Please let me know how you get on with you tweaking, your rig is almost mine!...I'll let you know how i get on.

      Cheers form the UK

      Niall

      • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User
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        Oct 7, 2012 11:02 AM (in response to niall182)
        Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

        Good deal bro! Yeah, I got the 2x12 for the same reason! The good thing about Line 6, is the options! Everybody has a different rig, guitar, cab, etc. so everybody has an option they can use. When you find the right settings for you it works great. I'm still kinda tweaking here and there, but I will post everything when I'm done. The "lift" button is for the ground, do you mean "line"? I use "line" on mine. The XLR balanced out has both mic/line and lift/grnd, the unbalanced has only line/amp. I'll be in touch...

         

        cgtrox

        • niall182 Just Startin'
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          Oct 7, 2012 12:12 PM (in response to cgtrox)
          Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

          Hi, sorry yes I meant "line" thats twice I've got that wrong...not easy when you dont have the thing in front of you to look at, I'm well versed with L6...like all of us have a bit of a love hate thing with them, didn't see how axe fxII justify the price so went for hd pro, very early days with it at the moment...I'm going to keep 'line' engaged full stop an build patches from there. I still have my Digitech 2120 artist which I love, but it is old...but very very good...the POD needs to be able to match this which it should be able to do and some!

           

          Going back to basics with it tomorrow, build an amp from scatch probably the Plexi lead or backed off Engl or Mesa....put your ideas into effect and see what happens, update you tomorrow.

           

          Cheers

          Naill

          • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User
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            Oct 7, 2012 4:24 PM (in response to niall182)
            Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

            Just found more DSP space! Moved the M9 completely out of the loop and put it between the poweramp and the POD HD! The effects loop leaves a lot to be desired anyway, hope they fix it in the update! Now, everything sounds clearer. Another thing is I am using my MKI shortboard just to see how much I can get away with. The main thing that sucks is the wah/vol pedal have to have an FX block to work. Again, the update! But, I can program FS1, FS2, FS3 and FS4 to work on stomp, mod, delay and reverb. The cool thing is, once you programmed them to turn off and on you can move them anywhere in the chain and it still controls them! Still looking for more stuff...

             

            cgtrox

            • niall182 Just Startin'
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              Oct 8, 2012 4:58 AM (in response to cgtrox)
              Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

              Hi...update time!

              WOW...thank you so much for your clear knowledge at the top of this thread...this is the reason I love L6 & more importantly this forum and the people on it! Without your look at 'page 1, page 2, page 3etc....' insight I might never have gotten the best out of this unit and I considered myself to be fairly good with L6 gear...thanks to you I now just got a whole lot better!

               

              I've gone from using the studio/direct mode to combo/front (seems to work really well for me?), switch on back to amp, & experimenting/playing with the '2,3,4' options on page 4...not sure if I'd have ever changed to guitar to 'auto' & inputs to 'global' on page 3 without your tip...obviously I tweaked the settings for the Hz etc and set things to my ear/taste but without your pointers I would have been messing around for weeks, maybe months possibly without ever realising..you have saved me loads of time and put a smile on my face...this unit is indeed GREAT...I'm at the begining of my tone journey with it but I'm really going to enjoy it!.

               

              All I've done so far is put the Treadplate Pre into a 'new tone' patch (no cab sim) and played with the bass middle trebgble etc...before it sounded muddy, flabby and sometimes fizzy...but once I payed with your suggestions on the input/output pages on the i/o menu the thing has jumped into life... I realise this is where the key lies, my new (second hand) 2x12 arrived this morning, Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12, and the whole thing sounds HUGE!

               

              It sounds good at low volume but once cranked to 'live' ie: slightly louder than the drummer then it sounds massive...this is even before I've put a single effect/eq on it....normally, due to the Fletcher Munsun' effect patches which sound amazing at low volumes sound like garbage when turned up loud...all I needed to do here was back off the drive, bass and mids a bit and it sounds big bold full and.....at last WARM!

               

              Cheers again, keep in touch...I'll keep you informed.

              Niall

            • spikey Just Startin'
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              Oct 8, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to cgtrox)
              Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

              cgtrox wrote:

               

              The effects loop leaves a lot to be desired anyway, hope they fix it in the update! Now, everything sounds clearer.

              cgtrox

               

              You too??? I thought it was just my ears.... Interesting...

    • armandobravo4L Just Startin'
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      Feb 5, 2013 3:37 PM (in response to cgtrox)
      Re: Pod HD Pro best i/o set up options into power amp & into 4x12??

      I see it's a Crown poweramp, but could you specify the exact model and how the inputs work from the pod to the amp?

      email me if possible; thearmandobravo@yahoo.com

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