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Giax1974 Just Startin'
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Sep 5, 2012 9:12 PM

Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line users????
Are we millions of M13-M9 proud users forgotten by Line 6?
Any updates? any news?

Would eb nice, pitch-step secuencer? Boss delay HOLD DD3 feature?
arppegiator fxs like boss slicer?

Still waiting for newssss!

Tags: midi, pedal, firmware, m13, m9, m5
  • rodney13 Just Startin'
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    Sep 8, 2012 4:02 PM (in response to Giax1974)
    Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

    That's a good question   its been a while since Line 6 did any updates for M13 ,

    I know we all put requests in for new features and effects but I wonder if Line 6 are at this stage satisfied with what they have already done and wont take it any further or maybe they are working on a new model

    I guess we all shall just have to wait and see as Line 6 don't reveal anything until its almost time for the update

    • Giax1974 Just Startin'
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      Sep 12, 2012 8:53 PM (in response to rodney13)
      Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

      I think in the same way, maybe they got what they expected as a product, m13 has not price dropped yet, which is weird for a digital multiFX unit, that is a sign of a sucessful product.

      If they come out with a new M-device I will jump in  for sure!, hope they can add a FXloop1, Fxloop 2, and Fxloop 3, also will be nice amp switching capabilities.

      What will be very usefull though for a firmware upgrade would be if they make the Left and Right SEND and RETURN independent, so that you can set LeftFXloop for one preset and RightFXloop for other, (different chains) so basically you have 2 FXloops, that will be useful for me.
      But they are taking so long...
      I was already thinking on getting a MOEN unit to control better my external pedals. 

      • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
        phil_m
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        Sep 17, 2012 8:00 AM (in response to Giax1974)
        Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

        I actually don't think it's weird for a product like the M9 or M13 to stay price-stable for a while. Heck, the 4-button stomps are sold new for the same price they were when they were first introduced. I think that these pedals are a bit different than something a POD or a Boss GT unit. These are things that people buy and mount to pedalboards. They aren't necessarily things that totally replace existing pedalboards (although the M13 marketing kind of pushes that way). Look at a product like the Boss DD-20. It's a digital multi-FX unit that's been out for nearly 10 years, too. I don't think it's ever been updated.

         

        I'm not saying I know how it will go either way. Maybe Line 6 will surprise us with some more updates. But personally, I don't really feel cheated if they don't.

        • bgmww Just Startin'
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          Sep 17, 2012 9:49 AM (in response to phil_m)
          Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

          I don't really feel cheated if they don't.


          In some way, i would.
          Because they kept (keep) encouraging us to send features requests... if they are not taking this under consideration, they just should say: "Thanks for all the requests. but the updating process has come to an end".


          Personally, if they don't release any new updates, i think they should, at least; make it open source... That would be great.

          • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
            TheRealZap
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            Sep 17, 2012 10:41 AM (in response to bgmww)
            Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

            of course they still want your requests even if they quit updating the Mx products (and i don't think they have...)

            your requests would help the next super Mx or whatever be even better... trust me they read them.

            there's no chance of them ever open sourcing this stuff... their technology is what they spend their money making... and make their money selling.....

  • timfeetham Just Startin'
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    Oct 13, 2012 5:54 PM (in response to Giax1974)
    Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

    Talking about M13 updates... The M13 page says there is at least one and links to the update page which says there isn't one??? The Line6 web master hasn't done much qc in this area.

    • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User
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      Oct 13, 2012 6:36 PM (in response to timfeetham)
      Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

      the latest version 2.04 is here: http://line6.com/software/readeula.html?rid=3768

      • JTSC777 Just Startin'
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        Oct 29, 2012 9:02 AM (in response to TheRealZap)
        Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

        Roland/ Boss updates almost nothing. I know as a GR33-GR55 etc... owner. They don't care about the end user. Line 6 is a whole other world compared to all the other companies. Two weeks ago I bought a used M13 with 1.04 firmware. Updated it easily to 2.04 for FREE!!! Took it out with a good properly biased tube amp and played two gigs with it. Brilliant device. Much better than my 3 other pedalboards with all their limitations.And with such a great looper why would I want the the hold function of the old Boss delay pedal? Having to hold the pedal down while playing is something I don't miss lol! I will definetly be using the M13 and my HD300 for almost everything I do for the next few years.Being able to play the intro-rhythm part to Third Eye Blinds "Never Let You Go" and have it play back while I play the lead line at the same time with great tone is nothing short of amazing to me. I have been around a long time so all this stuff is so much better than the Big Muff and solid state Peavey amp I started with. Enjoy!!!

        • lenoir Just Startin'
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          Nov 2, 2012 5:09 PM (in response to JTSC777)
          Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

          The M series is full of good ideas and creative potential, that's true. But it's also full of bugs and problems due to bad design, especially on the MIDI side. Search the forum for the countless replies answering "this is a known bug logged in the database" or "OK, I can replicate this, please send a user request" to people reporting problems during the last  years.

           

          People from Line6, don't give the users any more effect if you don't want. After all, one buys a M5/9/13 for what it's advertised to do. But please fix the bugs in the M pedals. Respect the buyers, the ones that feed you and your families, and give us a fully working, reliable product. Roland/Boss, at least, does.

          • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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            Nov 3, 2012 6:54 AM (in response to lenoir)
            Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

            I think this a mischaracterization. The M-series is not "full of bugs". In fact just trying to think of a few, the only ones I can think of offhand is the glitching when using the reverse function on the M9 and the fact that there's some drifting when sending a MIDI sync signal to the M13 (I think this happens with the M9as well, not sure though). Sure those are bugs, but they're relatively minor for most people. There's a good chance most users would never encounter them. I agree they should fix them, but let's not make it sound like the products have bugs that make them unuseable. The M13 has been on my pedalboard for over 4 years now, and I've not had any problems with it all during that time. That seems like a pretty good run for $500 multi-FX pedal.

            • lenoir Just Startin'
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              Nov 3, 2012 3:15 PM (in response to phil_m)
              Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

              You could add that users have to buy analog controlers because the M pedals can't correctly handle two MIDI CC without lags, and so on... I can't remember them all neither, but there's quite a few. In fact, like people from Line6 say themselves, there's a whole "database" of them.

               

              One's minor bug is another's major issue. We all use the M pedals the way we chose to, so that's not the point. What I mean is that they are still not doing exactly what they're advertised to do in publications and that all those bugs are known for years now. It's really weird, just like if Line6 had no will to fix them. Nothing is really a problem if it is corrected as soon as identified. So why not release a patch, say, every six months or every year to correct the products ?

               

              It seems so obvious that such a behaviour is really disappointing from a brand like Line6.

              • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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                Nov 3, 2012 3:45 PM (in response to lenoir)
                Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

                Well, that's the thing, they obviously aren't that big of a deal if you can't even name what they are. I'm on these forums virtually everyday, have answered more questions for people here than any of the Line 6 people themselves, and honestly, I have seen very much in the way of people reporting bugs other than the ones I mentioned in the last two years or so. It's simply not correct to say that there these units are bug-ridden or anything like it. I just don't see a lot in the way of advertised features not working the way they should.

                 

                I'm not trying to make excuses for the real bugs not being addressed, but I also think it's always a cost benefit analysis as to whether to invest time and energy into correcting code for an existing product. I would think it depends a lot on how many complaints you're getting, and whether those issues are affecting sales.

                • lenoir Just Startin'
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                  Nov 3, 2012 5:18 PM (in response to phil_m)
                  Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

                  You don't seem to use MIDI that much, otherwise you'd know what I'm talking about. I kind of feel cheated, and by reading numerous threads in english, spanish, german and french I know I'm not alone. About the update strategy, I completly get what you're saying. Still utterly disappointing but it makes perfect sense. It's just that it's an insanely dangerous game to play from a customer point of view in times of hazardous economics. Good reputation is hard to build, bad reputation goes fast. Just a weird behaviour, a bit like shooting yourself in the foot, that's all. I, for one, have already adviced a couple friends the past months not to buy Pod HDs and M pedals. It doesn't take much : just tell people that five switches of your M13 have died in three years, that existing bugs won't be adressed, and watch them reconsider. I'll just continue to share my "experience" with my musical surrounding.

                   

                  Farewell Line6, I've patiently waited years for an update allowing your product to fully enter my setup (MIDI based, in case it wasn't clear) but I guess it won't ever. Too bad...

                  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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                    Nov 3, 2012 6:02 PM (in response to lenoir)
                    Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

                    Totally understand where you're coming from, well to a point. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. There's no use banging your head against a wall for several years trying to get a piece of gear to do what you want. Honestly, if I bought something that didn't work the way I thought it should and had no assurance from the company that anything was going change, I'd return if I could, or sell it, and move on. I just don't think it's worth hanging your hat on the hope that the feature that's important to you is something that a company deems important.

          • JTSC777 Just Startin'
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            Nov 7, 2012 8:40 AM (in response to lenoir)
            Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

            No they do not. Boss/Roland released the flagship GR-55 with all kinds of problems. Preset dropouts-bugs-midi problems etc...go to the V-guitar forum and see for yourself. When Roland rolls a unit off the assembly line thats it. To them it's perfect bugs and all. They do nothing for the end user. I have to use a third party software floorboard editor just to navigate the thing. I have played Roland synths for over 20 years and their end user indifference has not changed one bit. Line 6 is a much more end user friendly company IMHO. I have to use an M13/HD300 etc... with the GR55 just to cover up the horrible preset dropout gaps it has. Roland has no plans to address any of these problems. Neal Schon of Journey returned two Roland VG-8 units in the 90s' because of the preset dropouts. That is not being responsive to your customers.Roland is like Toyota. They don't give a "blank".

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    Nov 2, 2012 1:33 PM (in response to Giax1974)
    Re: Any news on a new firmware upgrade for M-line? M13-M9

    Would really like to see the ability to use the 4 cable method on the M9 to have an effects loop there in the middle.  Really hope they get a firmware update out soon, it's been nearly 2 years...

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