Dec 13, 2012 2:29 PM
Totally nuetral patch for use with HD500 + 4CM + tube amp?
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wondering if anyone has a good clean (tonally) starting point for this scenario. I like my amps preamp channels. I also like having a few of the HD's on hand as well as some effects. Thh trouble I'm having is when i use my amp's pre's the tone is sucked out a bit, it;s muffled and does not have the like the amp has without the HD.
It's not horrible but not hte same as the amp alone.
I've set up a "nothing" patch where I have the mixer ouput matched with the amp's output so they are about the same. the tone is different between the amp alon and the "nothing" patch. much prefer the amp.
I suppose my answer is that all amps are different so there is no rule how one might EQ or level out the thing with HD effects but I wonder if someone has done any work on this and fund a useful solution
Thanks for your input
You may or may not have seen the guide I have here ==> http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-2522
Probably the biggest single trick to getting a neutral patch is to get the levels right. The most important one appears to be to boost the level before the Amp Input dramatically - 12dB - to compensate for a level drop at that point. My recipe for a Neutral patch is as follows, from the guide ....
This is a setup for a patch using Effects only. The settings below are the same for both methods except those in red which are for the first method and blue which are for the second method:
Control
Do not select an amp model for an 'effects only' patch as this will then be in competition with your real pre-amp in and will probably sound poor..
* Note (Oct 2012): The FX Send level is set by the gain level Studio EQ in step 5 above and is dependent on your choice of Input sources.
thanks for the reply. yes, I've worked with these instructions and the situation remains as described. It's not bad, just better direct through to amp when no effects are engaged, which leaves me wanting to unplug the HD, except the effects are needed and i like haoiving hte amp models...
perhaps it's just the reality of the thing, you can;t pass a signal through something and have it be untouched
Yeah I feel the same and I've tried playing with the 4CM methods mentioned and still never got what I wanted.... Think I'll have to re-vist this....
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