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radimere Just Startin' 14 posts since
Dec 27, 2012
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Jan 7, 2013 11:14 AM

HD300 stereo delay - uneven left and right volumes

I've been fooling around with the stereo delay effect, and I noticed that the left and right channels have asymmetrical delay trails. Even if both channels are set to have the same delay times and the same feedback level, the right channel is slightly louder fading out, and has a few more repeats. Is this a quirk, similar to the analog chorus effect, which is also asymmetrical?

 

I'm using a Soldano clean model with the default cab and mic as a basis for the patch, and listening to the output through reference headphones. The switch at the back of the POD  is set to "studio."

 

The ping-pong delay exhibits no such behavior—let and right channels trail off at the same time.

  • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
    Sep 16, 2012

    I dont really get what the question is? Are you asking if this is unique to your HD (i.e. is a fault ?) .

     

    I'd be interested in checking this out when I get home, though I would imagine what you are experiencing is correct.

     

    I have another old fx/modelling unit that does a very simial thing with stereo fx. In fact probably more so, as some basically route the original signal through one channel and the modulated signal through the other. This sounded a little odd initially, and more and more odd the more I focussed on it. In reality though, once I got over it I stopped noticing. It would probably be fairly bad isolated in headphones, but at a reasonable listening distance from my PA speakers it sounds pretty good over the stereo field.

  • Astaroth_CY Just Startin' 112 posts since
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    Jan 8, 2013 12:55 PM (in response to radimere)
    Re: HD300 stereo delay - uneven left and right volumes

    I've seen similar behavior with any time-dependent parameter as a result of editing the tone in HD Edit on my computer as opposed to directly on the unit. Despite saving a tone with the same timing/feedback on either channel, and testing it to make sure it was good, after switching away and switching back to the tone it would be all out of whack. This is not an issue if you edit the tone right on the Pod without being connected via USB. Just go in and tweak the relevant parameters (even if they appear the same, just change them to something else and back), save the tone, switch away and then switch back to it. Please try doing that and report back.

  • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
    Sep 16, 2012

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    radimere wrote:

     

    ..... But I can see some recording applications where it could be a problem, especially at exaggerated dry/wet mix levels.

    Fair point.

    radimere wrote:

     

    Hopefully someone from Line6 will chime in and confirm whether this quirk is intentional.

     

     

    But good luck with that.

     

    Astaroth's point is an interesting one. I am half happy that he advises of a workaround, should I find myself wanting to resolve a similar issue, but half disspointed as this seems to identify a 'bug'. Another thing for me to try for myself when I get home.

     

    (It's a double edged sword reading the forums sometimes. For all the great help and tips I get, the occassional negative scenario that I may never have identified myself does occassionally arise, and I wish I headnt read about it !)

  • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
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    Jan 8, 2013 11:32 PM (in response to radimere)
    Re: HD300 stereo delay - uneven left and right volumes

    OK.. so I tried this out for myself (on HD500).

     

    Please bear with me as I haven't really delved into the stereo delay before.

     

    When I first added the effect I immediately noticed the phenomenon you detailed, but then also noticed I had unbalanced feedback settings. I evened them up to 50 each on HD edit, but still got the issue of the right channel repeats being louder and lasting longer than the left.

     

    I then edited the parameters on the unit itself - essentially mucking up the settings then returning to what I had done in HD500 edit ( in terms of feedback), however I still experienced the issue you detailed.

     

    However, in both cases I had differing sync time settings. Now I dont know if the settings are 'exactly' the same in the 300, but with these parameters adjusted so they were the same, and contrary to your findings, I did achieve an even decay (though this caused the repeats to be in sync which essentially removes the sensation of the effect being stereo (though I believe it IS still stereo, but just stereo of the same thing)).

     

    Then I changed the left and right sync to 1/4 (3) and 1/4 respectively, which returned me to the same position as I started, but when I swapped the sync settings (i.e. to 1/4 and and 1/4 (3) the longer/louder repeats switched sides!

     

    I then scrolled though a variety of sync times and checked out the difference this made (other than to the sync time itself).

     

    It may seem as though I am now stating the obvious, but as a result of all this I believe the number of repeats are directly linked to the amount of feedback (though perhaps with some variation dependant upon input levels etc, but for the sake of clarity the following is based upon the my settings YMMV). So for example, if I set L sync to whole and R sync to 64 with 50 feedback for both channels, with my input levels, Left will repeat around four times, but take four whole notes to decay, but R, whilst also repeating 4 times (or so is my belief based upon trying out a number of settings as I cannot actually distinguish the repeats at this setting) only takes 4/64ths.

     

    So, my findings do seem to be in conflict with your own given our findings with 'symmetrical' settings, so perhaps you are experiencing a problem BUT I would emphasise that with differing sync times the trails do vary and need to be evened up with the feedback controls.

     

    Perhaps if anyone else has a chance to check this you can get a more conclusive sample size (though I would say I am certain of the results I am getting).

     

    Edit.

     

    Having given this a little more thought. The variation available with the ping pong delay (spread and offset) should really cover you for the times you require something a little more balanced.... though I dont wish to detract from the possibility that you have a problem if your stereo delay is not balanced even when you have identical settings for each channel.

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