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vartar Just Startin' 4 posts since
Oct 1, 2011
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Feb 5, 2013 11:54 AM

Adjusting Pod HD, Bass, Mid, Treble and Presence in decimal.

Why "POD-HD-edit" does not allow setting the tone of the amplifier in decimal?

For example, it would be great to put on bass = 71.3%, mid = 57.4% Treble= 51.8%.

pod hd.jpg

Help fine adjustments, precise and smooth.

I wish I could implement it soon.

What do you think?

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    It seems sort of ridiculous to me, to be honest. What the POD is modeling is an analog knob on an analog amp. I doubt anyone could tell a difference if the mid knob was set at 50% or 52%. I'd be willing to bet money that anyone could tell the difference in those parameters down to tenths of a percentage point in movement. Numbers can give a false sense of precision when in reality it isn't needed. It's kind of related to the concept of significant digits in science. At some point, the extra numbers lose their usefulness.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_precision

    • MartinDorr Just Startin' 98 posts since
      Nov 3, 2011

      Could not agree more with Phil. In fact I have experienced during volume leveling with a signal meter that the physical knobs on the HD500 have a higher resolution than what is displayed (both on the pod and in the editor). The difference is really so tiny that it is not worth talking or worrying about. My point is simply that Line 6 already made a call in terms of what precision is even worth showing (they probably fellt 0-10 was a little too crude ;-). I saw changes in the 1/3rd of a dBFS range that were not reflected in the displays and agree with Phil that no one will be able to tell one way or another. Along the same lines I read a couple times that a number of players use analog dials w/o number indicators to avoid falling into pre-conceived patterns or habits. It seems you are much better off forgetting the numbers and just following your ears when meddling with the knobs ... especially when it's the tone stack.

      • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
        Jan 25, 2007

        Of course with true analog equipment, there isn't really any granularity along the range of controller, but that's kind of the point I'm getting at. If you were dialing in a real amp, you wouldn't be able tell where the knob was with that much precision. Most analog knobs if they're labeled at all are labeled in increments of 10. You may be able turn the knobs in half increments of that with some precision, but even then, it becomes tricky.

         

        As far as what difference in sound pressure levels a person notices, 1 dB is generally the difference that will be just noticeable. Of course that doesn't really relate to the way the dB scale on an EQ works. How one perceives the difference on a recording depends a lot on how the recording is played back.

         

        Regardless of all that, I still don't believe that there would be noticeable difference in the tone stacks if you had the ability to adjust them in increments that would essentially be 1/1000th of the total travel of the knob.

  • GTLazer Just Startin' 79 posts since
    Jun 7, 2012

    A band I used to be in had a rule about mixing, whereby the final decisions were made by people who couldn't see the knobs and sliders and such.

     

    So the guy who was listening would ask for track 1 up a bit, then down a bit, then up a bit, until such time as whoever was mixing wouldn't move the slider at all but still elicited a positive response. That's when you know it's right.

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