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icu81b4 Just Startin'
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Feb 11, 2013 8:21 AM

Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

Hi everyone, 

I'm wondering whether to buy a HD500 for live use, but I have a concern that I have yet to find answered, I wish to use the HD500 XLR outputs direct into the PA desk with the Output settings set correctly to 'desk' or whatever the name of the setting is,  But I also want to send the Unbalanced Outputs to my Power Amp (Marshall 1U Rack Amp, driving a Marshall Stereo Speaker Cab) with those outputs set to a 'Pre-Amp' setting.

 

Question. Will the HD500 allow me to have two different settings for the outputs at the same time?

 

Remember I don't have one to lpay with at the moment,and I dont have any manuals.

 

Regards

Al.

  • JanKupsa Just Startin'
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    Feb 11, 2013 9:10 AM (in response to icu81b4)
    Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

    Unfortunately you can have one one type of output for both XLR and Unbalanced jack outputs (and also for L6link and S/PDIF)... If you really need different output settings for XLR and unbalanced outputs, you can try POD X3 Live, but it doesn't have HD amp models and other stuff HD500 offers...

  • still_fiddlin Just Startin'
    still_fiddlin
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    Feb 12, 2013 5:02 AM (in response to icu81b4)
    Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

    You can download the manuals from elsewhere on the Line6 (i.e., this) site.

     

    It looks like you can do almost what you want, but not quite.  My 400 has a "Dual" mode setting - I assume the 500 has the same thing.  From the manual (this may not be the most recent, as I downloaded it a couple years ago):

     

    DUAL Mode (POD HD400): This option offers more performance flexibility, routing the LIVE Mode signal to the left & right UNBALANCED outputs, and routing a great sounding mic’d amp tone to the left & right BALANCED outputs. This allows you to send the LIVE signal to a guitar amp, while simultaneously routing a mic’d cab signal to a mixer or recorder!

  • hollis1003 Iknowathingortwo
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    Feb 12, 2013 5:45 AM (in response to icu81b4)
    Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

    300 and 400 can do it, the 500 cannot.  This has been something the 500 owners have been complaining about (and rightfully so) since it came out. For me, this is why the best solution is a FRFR amp of some kind.  I have 2 Mackie Thumps with the 15" speakers, they are good but a little woofie.  Buying a good FRFR will run you at least $700 IMHO.

     

    I had the DT-50 HD and a Line 6 cab but it was really just too much and takes up a lot of space.  It sounded good and the XLR out sounded good, however, once again Line 6 leaves a lot to the imagination about what is really going on with the XLR out on the DT series.  There was never a good explaination of what was going on there.

    • icu81b4 Just Startin'
      icu81b4
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      Feb 12, 2013 7:29 AM (in response to hollis1003)
      Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

      Thanks for the replies chaps,  I was hoping to get the HD500 as that had the most sound configuration options, but it looks as though if I want an accurate sound representation on stage as well as through the PA then I'd need to run the HD500 into a DT25 and take the emulated signal out of the back of the amp ( although I'm currently running stereo and this solution would be mono ) as I don't really want to mic up the amp speakers.

       

      @hollis1003

       

      Line 6 leaves a lot to the imagination about what is really going on with the XLR out on the DT series.  There was never a good explaination of what was going on there.

       

      Were you not happy with the XLR outputs on the DT amp?

       

      Al.

       

      ps what does FRFR stand for?

      • Zelig Just Startin'
        Zelig
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        Feb 12, 2013 9:01 AM (in response to icu81b4)
        Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

        BIG issue, this is my own personal view:

         

        http://line6.com/support/message/377798#377798

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
        spaceatl
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        Feb 12, 2013 12:38 PM (in response to icu81b4)
        Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

        or...get a pair of H&K Red Box DIs and inject them on the 1/4 outs feeding your rig....Behringer makes a decent copy (ULTRA-G)...Then you can tweak your rig to sound sweet and house feed will have fixed cab emulation...Sorta like you have a fixed cab on your rig...A lot of fuss over dual mode...It's pretty obvious by now that there is not enough DSP to do it...HD500 is like the XTL was in that regard...If you want Line 6 Dual Mode, then you have to go with a DT amp...If you want stereo, you will need two amps....You can run 4 amps on the link if you like...If you like the HD500 and want to use it Dual Mode...Then you have to come up with the otherside of the Dual...Simple as that...

      • hollis1003 Iknowathingortwo
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        Feb 12, 2013 6:36 PM (in response to icu81b4)
        Re: Live use question, concerning the XLR and Unbalanced outputs

        The XLR on the DT was good but I don't know what was going on.  For example, is the cab and mic simulation always the same or is it based on the topology chosen?  So if I'm using a clean sound I might want a 2x12 with a certain mic but the XLR out on the DT might be a mesa 4x12.  Heck it could be anything, the manual never said what the XLR was doing so no way to know.  Even know with the midi control it is not clear.

         

        I sold the DT because of space (twins on the way) but I don't miss it all.  I really just play at home with headphones most of the time. 

         

        I think I'm not alone in saying that Line 6 has just dropped the ball on explaining a lot of details that would really help users get/find the sounds they are looking for instead of just taking stabs in the dark.

         

        I still love POD.

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